Parents of the HS Class of 2009 (Part 1)

<p>H is off to do his run (18 miles this morning). We don’t have any special plans. We will go to the Y this afternoon for my run and H’s yoga class. The house is clean, lots of leftovers in the frig, and too cold to do much outside. We are both bored. I would be willing to play chess. H can give me a decent game but won’t win unless I make a careless mistake, so he seldom wants to play. S2 got to the point where he could beat me about 30% of the time and I miss playing with him. He was bedridden for months with a broken femur when he was in middle school and played a lot of chess on-line, so got pretty good. I did the whole tournament thing as a child and played on the chess team in high school (classic nerd EC).</p>

<p>We saw S1 yesterday to bring him a book he wanted and some more clothes. He doesn’t have any Valentine’s Day plans. He says he keeps in touch with a girl in Brazil via Skype and isn’t seeing anybody here. This girl is a chemical engineering student (age 20) but we don’t know anything else about her. I thought S went for the airhead types, so am pleasantly surprised. No clue what S2 is up to. He said he would be staying in this week-end to do homework because he has two projects due Monday and two tests on Wednesday.</p>

<p>Regarding social skills and Aspies: I think that the basics can be taught and learned. But what is missing is the inate ablity to make friends. Many Aspies can internalize a script so they can get through dinner with Grandma or the boss without any major faux pas. But what they don’t get is why they aren’t included when the gang decides to go to a movie. </p>

<p>I can really relate. I’ve been like that most of my life and I’ve come to terms with it. Example: A couple of weeks ago, a group of four of us who used to work together got together for lunch. It was great to see them - it had been so long. But as the conversation wore on, it was evident that the other three get together fairly often. I always thought I was part of their group…but not really. People will accept my social invitations, but don’t include me in their plans. Why is that? Not a clue. (And no, I don’t smell.) I think this is how Aspies feel - they can bathe and comb their hair and talk to people, but when the social invitations don’t come, they don’t know why.</p>

<p>Missypie, I would happily include you in any group of mine!</p>

<p>As for VD, I have an annual 4-day work commitment (a college competition involving about 1,200 students) usually falls over hubby’s birthday and VD. This year, I was happy when it was scheduled so I got home last night, but H decided to take a trip to see his D’s and also say hello to S, so he’s gone and I’m home solo. I was okay with the plans when he talked about them (I’m always wiped when I get back from the competition), but kind of expected to get home to flowers, a bottle of champagne, something other than the drug store that was waiting for me. Oh well…it’s supposed to be close to 80 today, so I think I’ll take a nice walk along the beach!</p>

<p>H did text me that he had dinner with his two grown daughters and their kids and with my S…that was supposed to happen tonight, but apparently S has a VD date! His FIRST that we have heard about!</p>

<p>Oh Missypie - Can I be in YOUR group?? Your stories of cheer competitions, missypieS and snow in Texas could keep me inviting you to lunch dates for the next 20 years or so…</p>

<p>Fun news, cpeltz!</p>

<p>TheAnalyst, I respectfully submit that if you’re truly bored, perhaps you’d like to come help me wallpaper the evil stair hallway. I promise it will be entertaining. Apart from being 81 years old and cranky as hell, the wall is also pretty much warped. And I, of course have chosen a paper that, as it turns out, does not conceal this feature ; ) (You thought I was going to say “ME” didn’t ya? There may come a time when I resemble that remark…) And of course, I am a short person, who is both left handed, dyslexic, besieged by astigmatism and of negligible gross and fine motor skills, which makes the rather creative scaffolding I have constructed of questionable structural integrity and anything I hang unlikely to be plumb. Which is what has me taking a compy break and prolonging the agony further…I don’t think I could do much worse drunk. I’m sure it’s noon somewhere ; )</p>

<p>But I can’t complain. H. treated me to half spa day yesterday and then indulged me in a particularly luxurious new bed decor set…so wallpaper on VDay (while he is working OT migrating a platoon of servers…unfortunately OUR servers…) is okay along the lines of “love the house you’re with…”</p>

<p>kmc -sundowner time here - you would be quite within the bounds of socially acceptable to sip a gentle glass (or two) of something mildly intoxicating…wish we had photos enabled on CC- would love to see the end result of the wallpaper exercise!</p>

<p>Happy Valentine’s Day to all. D & I exchanged cards, then went with S to church. We don’t go out on VD as H hates the crowds. Crowds don’t bother me, but with the snow and my cold, I would much rather stay in and watch the Olympics. Every 2 years I watch sports on TV.</p>

<p>Missypie- I’ll join your group,too. Your posts are very entertaining. Perhaps these people don’t invite you more often because your life seems very busy.</p>

<p>CF, I wasn’t blaming the New Age-y mom for my nephew’s lack of social skills, but in taking away some of the things that would enable him to integrate. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The issues were quite clear years ago, but her view that popular culture is evil (much of which I share) causes her to prevent the boy from participating in in various activities is not helping him integrate. He needs to learn to engage, which means skills he doesn’t have and props (see below). Similarly, when she drops off kids with for a play date, she gives elaborate instructions about what the kids can and cannot eat (no processed food, no meat, it has to look like it goes from the ground, no refined sugar, and on and on) and what they can and cannot do (no computer games, not TV, no war games, …). If I were a parent on the other end of that, unless I subscribed to the same quasi-religious world view, I might be somewhat annoyed at someone telling me what I can and cannot do in my house and would gently guide my kid to invite over other friends whose mothers were not so controlling. In the last few months, the kid has developed OCD symptoms – washing hands 63 times a day and worrying that he didn’t get some area and going back to rewash. </p>

<p>kmccrindle, we did not allow commercial TV in our house (although we had a TV) until the kids were getting it all on their computers anyway. But, we let them watch it at their grandparents and friends. We’d rent videos. And, when a craze arose, stupid as it was, we allowed the kids to participate. ShawD is very social so integrating has never been an issue. If anything, she’s too influenced by her friends and what they think is good. ShawSon was an extremely cerebral kid – when he was three, at dinner, we discussed a Canadian Jewish man who was marrying a German Christian women. The woman had moved to Canada and, to marry, was converting. The next morning, while I was shaving, I felt a tug at about hip level and ShawD asks, “Can someone change countries the way they can change religions?” Since she clearly had moved to Canada, he was asking about the concept of nationality. When he was interviewed for a private school program in 3rd grade at a selective private school (of the 45 boys they admitted, 6 were admitted into a 2 year program for boys with high IQs and learning disabilities), he was asked his favorite TV show, he said, I don’t watch TV but I like books and went on to explain what he’d learned from a book about why popcorn pops (all audiobooks at that point). This kid needed help integrating into his new school. So, the craze that year was Pokemon, which seemed like a dumb waste of money, but that was what the boys were talking about at lunch. So, we purchased Pokemon cards and these were the props that helped him integrate that year. Later, Magic Cards were big and we still have lots of them in the house. Oh, and Beanie babies and … . ShawSon found the other cerebral kids and made friends – and also stood up for them when they were being picked on. Generally, I thought that they needed enough pop culture to integrate but that the passivity of TV too early was problematic.</p>

<p>I looked over the Social Skills link that you provided, Deja. I needed a higher order level of skills that I didn’t have: e.g., how to start conversations, how to ask questions that are neither too generic nor too personal, how to initiate and further friendships, and later, how to initiate conversations with members of the opposite sex, as well as the courtship skills described above. Unlike the Aspies described here, I missed the interaction and knew I was being excluded but didn’t know how to get myself included. I actually did find not a program but got professional guidance (and as described above, non-professional guidance for some of these things and the guidance made a tremendous amount of difference. I’m guessing that my nephew probably needs some of the same but also something on how to read cues to know that he is not engaging people before they either walk away mid-sentence or pass out. Do you think that kind of program exists? In my case, it was terminal shyness w/o social skills probably more than Asperger’s. I don’t know what the issue is with my nephew.</p>

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<p>Actually, I think that’s not unlike Aspies. Rather, it’s exactly like Aspies. When Missypie talked about Aspy student with the zero friends wanting to be allowed to read a book at recess, she wasn’t talking about a kid who wanted to have zero friends. She was talking about a kid who did in fact have zero friends even though he would prefer to have some friends, a kid who would have liked to have someone to play with at recess, but who knew perfectly well by now that if he was forced to play with other kids he’d be the target of abuse.</p>

<p>Yes, Shawbridge, thank god for Pokemon and Goosebumps as universal kid connectors ; ) Our s’s sound in some ways alike, but mine was started school at a semi-rough inner city public school post-divorce so it was a loaded social environment. Ironically (this was in Canada) he had much stronger LD and gifted support at the rough school – not so much by the time we moved to the 'burbs. But in Canada, the funding is actually the same per kid whether inner city or suburban. So that may, in part, explain that phenom.</p>

<p>And Zim, thanks for permission to drink. So far I’m sober and finished half the hallway. Dreading the turn, hence my return to cc ; )
I am thinking I will just swap out the lighting to low voltage and perhaps it will look normal. Of course, ripped a piece already moving a ladder. Doesn’t bode well for the future of the wallpaper!</p>

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<p>That’s exactly right. I’ve heard that adult Aspies have higher than average rates of suicide and depression and it makes sense. They are very aware that others have friends and rich social lives and that they don’t. They may not want to be with others every night of the week, but a movie over the weekend would be cool.</p>

<p>I probably should not have used myself as an example of being socially clueless. Here’s another analogy. We probably all know a straight woman who is well groomed, educated, and interesting but not only has never been married, but has rarely dated, even though she has wanted to. For some reason that she does not know how to control, she is keeping men at a distance. She knows how to be a nice neighbor, a good employee, but doesn’t know how to behave to tell a guy she’s available. She thinks she’s doing the right things, but there’s an intangible that is missing.</p>

<p>I think that’s how some Aspie’s feel - they think they are doing all the right things. They are doing everything the school psychologist told them to do, but people are not attracted to them. If thrown together, people may not avoid them, but they aren’t the ones who are naturally included. </p>

<p>There are certainly things to be done. It was nice that Son was one of the better choir members in HS. He was needed in groups, and then once he was in the group, if the group all went to dinner after a performance, he went too. But he just didn’t have people calling him randomly over the weekend to go to a movie.</p>

<p>i give you major credit for wallpapering. i would never have the patience to do it. no major celebrations here. that sfine with me. I was never in to Valentines day except when we were dating and in the early marriage. I do give my kids things. I am still hoping for that trip at the end of the rainbow. even a weekend away. Called my D1 today just wanted to hear her voice.</p>

<p>Ah, CF and Missypie, that makes sense. I had been interpreting the following sentence from Missypie’s earlier post incorrectly:</p>

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<p>I had interpreted this as not having the desire to make friends or more likely not having the empathy to have an interest in the feelings of others. I think I had both of those but didn’t have the skills to go beyond the desire. I suspect that I had a decent base of skills but was missing critical ones whereas kids with an Aspie diagnosis are missing many more of the skills. Your subsequent post and Deja’s list of social skill training possibilities are both very illuminating. It is lonely wanting to have friends but not knowing how and knowing that it is happening without you. I feel for your sons.</p>

<p>Chedva, my kids are dual US-Canadian citizens though we have never lived in Canada. But, our cousin says that in Calgary they had, at one point, a high school for gifted/LD kids. That would be the support we got in our affluent suburb by light years. I contemplated moving to Calgary (I love the Rockies anyway).</p>

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<p>Or, equally, Aspies may realize that there is some right thing they are not doing, or some wrong thing they are doing, but not have the faintest clue what they are doing wrong.</p>

<p>Hi All! We spread out the Valentine celebration throughout the weekend. H gave me flowers and a card on Friday…I wouldn’t open the card until today. Went to a wonderful dinner last night. I stayed in my jammies all day and he didn’t say anything and we will have wine in the hot tub later this evening as the snow falls. </p>

<p>D2 just went back to school. Her trip home to see the oral surgeon was …disappointing. A new treatment to seal the tooth and alleviate the sensitivity worked…for two hours until it cracked and fell off the tooth! She was not happy.</p>

<p>D1’s BF drove 3 hours for a visit to speak with H. It appears they are more serious than we thought. </p>

<p>Oh, and my truck died yesterday! Will worry about it tomorrow when I call AAA. I am in such a Scarlett mood!</p>

<p>Does that mean that D1 is engaged?</p>

<p>Not at the moment! :wink: I believe there are plans for a romantic spring trip! H is good with it but I am in denial and think they should wait just a little bit to get established in their careers. Of course I don’t say anything like that out loud!!!</p>

<p>Being engaged does not mean there has to be a wedding in 6 months! So… congrats to them both for finding someone so very special to share their lives with. As has been made clear in these last couple of pages, it’s not always easy to find love - or even like!!</p>

<p>H and I spent the day looking at open houses. So now I am committed to get this house in shape to sell. Argh… how much you wanna bet I will still have that on the agenda two weeks from now! It’s amazing how much crap you can accumulate in 17 years of living in a house!</p>

<p>Modadunn: When the time comes to move them I’m in LOTs of trouble. Currently we have lived in this house for 26 years. We bought it right out of college. We have added on but still in the same house.</p>

<p>I cant even recall where I lived right out of college!</p>