This may or may not give you the chuckle I intend…
S26 is now a Sophomore at UNC-CH.
We have three kids, and we’ve committed to spending a Time-Value-Money Amount equivalence to each of them. So how they ‘spend’ it will obviously depend on their choices of In/OOS and school etc.
Anyway, last summer the two of us got into a bit of a disagreement which devolved into a pretty solid verbal ‘fight’ as older teenage boys and their fathers are often apt to do. However, he couldn’t stop himself from making some ridiculously short sighted statements about his ‘living conditions’, independence and self-sufficiency.
I dialed things back and calmly asked him if he felt he would be better off if we changed the nature of living and funding arrangements to support his view of his self-sufficiency and independence from us… and that I would be more than willing to help him pack his bags that morning and drop him off at his off campus apartment (which we had already begun to pay for mid summer) - and to further support his views, we would allow him to start fresh by paying his own way from that point on. Then I gave him the math, with $ 4k in his personal account, he could pay two and a half months rent and utilities, but would have no food, no car, no gas (but wouldnt need it), no health insurance, no phone, no tuition etc so unless he got himself a job making more than $50k a year starting within a month, he would be broke.
I told him I was willing to teach him the concept of “F* Y* Money” before it was taught to him by his employers when it would really cost him a lot to find out… He stormed off, but two hours later was having quiet conversations with his mother.
That evening he asked if we could have another discussion - and asked me to explain what I really meant about it. So we talked about “F* Y* money, employers and being asked to do things we didn’t want to or put up with conditions we didn’t like… and where we draw the line between things we don’t like and things we find morally and ethically wrong. And how while I hoped it never came to this for him, there may come a time when he has all sorts of responsibilities besides himself (wife, kids etc) where he will be forced to swallow hard and do things that might not sit with his personal compass very well. etc etc”.
So once we got past that series of moments… he goes off to school as planned.
Through a friend of his, he lands a “cush” job as a personal aide working around 20 hours per week (on the schedule he sets), doing house chores, driving her around, grocery shopping, errands, doctors appointments etc. She is paying his $35/hour… not reporting it. (We’ve had the discussion on FICA/withholdings etc… which I’m paying my accountant to figure out our real risk/reward). He’s done the math on what a $70k / year after taxes job would be in “the real world” while he mumbles some ‘complaints’ about her as an employer - she texts him at all hours (basically between about 8 am and 6pm) and asks him to continuosly move some items from room to room to room (by accounts, it sounds like she is an ‘organized’ hoarder - and so its a constant shuffling of all of her things in bins and crates etc from room to room to room, only to end up in the same room it started to initially) but mostly, this job sounds like doing part time care of a grandparent who needs some physical help with chores but mostly needs someone to just talk to / listen to throughout the week. It frustrates him, because he is “Lazy Efficicent” just like his father - I want to do this one time the right way in as simple and efficient as possible" and everything about this particular job is like polar opposite.
Here’s when I realized he got the message I put out to him earlier this past summer. He is not the only person that serves as her personal aide - she has two other college age boys who help her out at around 10-20 hours each per week. Both of them are his friends, one of whom is in tech school paying his own way and trying to transfer into UNC-CH all on his own money, the other is a full time college student, whos parents are helping him to pay for part of his schooling.
The one whos parents are subsidizing him (but not paying for everything) has gotten into a couple of disagreements with the lady about the way she wants them to do things around her home… and has basically crossed her to the point that she canceled a few days of work for him each week over the month of February… and asked my son and the other kid (the one paying his entire way on his own) to pick up the hours if they can. My son has told her, I can do it for a little while, but not for more than the month (of February), the other kid (who is paying his way) was like “absolutely I can take whatever more you want to give me” even though the third kid is both of their friends…
So February ends and the three of them are talking while out, and the subsidized kid is complaining that he is down almost $2000 in his account in on month and may not be able to do spring break with them because of that “ridiculous old lady”, while the kid who was paying his own way said something along the lines of “hey thanks for the extra income”, my son chose to say nothing - and the other two started to get into it with each other about who should be supporting who as friends in that situation. Where at one point the pay his own way friend said "You just haven’t learned how to keep you damn mouth shut when talking to people who are paying for your entire life - you aren’t independent, you only think you are, you are totally dependent on your parents and “" for all of your needs and you basically told her to F O*… and you don’t have F* O* money.” My son told he he almost choked on that - and later told his friend when they were alone, “well my father calls it F* Y* money… but now I totally understand the concept”.
We were out to dinner for his 20th birthday last week when he relayed that story to his mother, his younger sister and I. It was very funny when his sister, without missing a beat said “Don’t worry dad, I already know I don’t have any money…”
So sometimes, they actually do hear you, even when they seem like nothing is getting thru.
Edit: His current checking account is over $ 18k now…