ASU Barrett would be a good place to apply, too.
^^ and even if you don’t make the April 1, 2018 deadline for the Barrett Honors College, you can certainly apply during your first semester and get in by spring. The reason ASU is usually a good bet for April applications is that they don’t really have an application deadline.
Alabama has changed its out-of-state scholarships, so that a student needs a 3.5 HS GPA and 36 ACT or 1600 SAT to get the full tuition scholarship. Even then, the highest scholarship only includes one year of on-campus housing, so it is not a full ride. Note that if parents are uncooperative, the OP will not be able to borrow either federal loans (requires parental FAFSA) or private loans (requires cosigner, usually parents) to help cover the rest.
https://scholarships.ua.edu/types/out-of-state.php
Some actual full rides, including tuition, room, and board, are among those listed here (verify on school web sites in case they have changed):
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/20798968/#Comment_20798968
Oh, boy, here we go again! Another Ivy-obsessed Asian parent!
I can understand that your parents want you to apply to the Ivy schools, but it is bordering insane that they won’t pay the application fees for other non-ivy schools. Why? Can’t they offer? What is the problem of applying to variety of school beside Ivies?
As other have suggested, your parents really need to educate themselves and fast!. So go ask them to join CC, to read the students’ profiles on the Ivy League forums so they can have a better understanding of just how hard it is to get into a ivy school.
As a parent whose kid just went through the whole process, I am venturing my guess that you might get into a lower ivy if you have decent ECs. It would be next to impossible to get into HYPSM unless you’ve done something extraordinary on top of your perfect academic achievement.
I will use junior to prove the point.
His stats:
2400 SAT(one sitting), 3.985 UWGPA, Full IB diploma at a very competitive public high school.
Schools he applied to:
Reach schools: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
Target schools: Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UNC
Safety school: USC, University of Washington.
The results:
Rejected: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT
Accepted: Duke, Vanderbilt with Full academic scholarship, Emory with full academic scholarship, UNC (honor), USC with Presidential scholarship, UW with full tuition scholarship.
He is now happily at Vanderbilt pursuing his dream in Creative Composition (literal. musical, and binary).
That’s too bad about Alabama.
I was talking about the Pittsburgh Chancellor’s scholarships
https://oafa.pitt.edu/financialaid/academic-scholarships/chancellors-scholarship/
“a minimum SAT score of 1530 or 34 ACT composite score, a top 2% high school class rank (if applicable), and an ‘A’ average in challenging high school curriculums consisting of AP/IB/Honors courses.”
That brings financial independence.
However, that Pittsburgh scholarship is competitive, rather than automatic for stats, so it should not be considered a safety option. Possibly an additional reach or match option.
No idea how anyone can predict a holistic admit when all OP has given is a slice of stats. You’ve got to know thats only a wee part.
And the fact some top scorers get rejected isn’t what’s forming their goals for this kid. If only 5% get in, they expect OP to be one of those. That’s the problem in applying yo a variety. They want what they want, which is schools they feel are tops. Not something realistic.
If UCB or UCLA isn’t good enough , then I don’t see McGill making the cut, either, let alone UBC. No offense to any of the schools listed. A student can shine at any of those places. I also don’t think that the Canadian Unis are that inexpensive for non Canadians anymore.
Not all Asians are like this. My Asian FIL scrimped and saved to send all 4 of his kids to a variety of decent, but unremarkable, undergrad schools in the US. Years later, one of the kids has a medical degree from McGill, another Chem E PHD from a top 10 Engineering school and is doing just fine thanks in Silicon valley, another is tenured at an Ivy, and the other has a measly MaSC, and is doing great in life.
It’s not where you start, it’s where you finish.
“If UCB or UCLA isn’t good enough , then I don’t see McGill making the cut, either”
My interpretation of the original post is that UCB and UCLA are considered prestigious enough for OP’s parents, but that neither OP nor as far as I can recall anyone commenting think that they are legitimate safety schools.
Most Asian parents cannot be like this. The tiger parents who insist on HYPSM-prestige or bust are outliers, as are Asian students who have the credentials to be even remotely possible admits to HYPSM, from what I have seen. Compare the total number of Asian students going to colleges like UCI, SJSU, Laney College, and comparable colleges to the number going to HYPSM.
Are you a NMSF? If so there may be some full or near full rides for you.
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Of course not. The parents who seem to be like this are rather new to the county. Not saying that there aren’t some established families of various ethnic groups that don’t dream of ivies, but the “top 10 or bust” mentality seems to be more prevalent amongst the more newly arrived.
@ClassicRockerDad --Pitt is one of “the traditional schools for full rides.” omg are you kidding me? The merit is not automatic like other schools that give merit and that Chancellor’s scholarship is crazy competitive. They offer about 10-15 tops. Many high stat kids mistakenly read that brief description and think they automatically “qualify” for the CS. Many of them were very disappointed last year to not even get an interview.
Agree with Carachel. I know a lot of kids who did not read the fine print on Pitt AND assumed that high stats alone would ring the bell. No longer true.
They cannot be all that prevalent, since only a small percentage of them have kids with credentials that make admission to a “top 10” (or whatever in admission selectivity) college even a remote possibility. In California alone, about 77,000 Asian students attend the CSUs, and about 341,000 Asian students attend the community colleges (including Filipino students, who are reported as a separate category by CSUs and community colleges). Compare those numbers to the number of Asian students who attend “top 10” colleges.
There’s a lot of good advice here but I’d like to highlight this quote from the OP
“I don’t want to go behind my parents’ backs not only because they refuse to pay for the tuition, but also because they’re my parents.”
There’s lots of advice for @mintokki on options that are about affording college without help from parents. But that is a nuclear option relationship wise.
Like many 2nd generation immigrants Mintokki will have to decide how much to bend to parental expectations and culture and how much to adopt mainstream American culture. With that said, if maintaining good relationships with parents is very important I recommend the following.
“Of course I expect to get into tippy toe school Mom and Dad and that is where I’m pouring all my energy but my guidance counselor says everyone needs to apply to at least 3 matches and 2 safeties (or whatever other number you think fits).”
I don’t know what kind of relationship you have with your guidance counselor but maybe you could prepare a chart with a list of colleges that fall into the reach, match, and safety category for a student with your stats. Bring it to your counselor and explain the situation with your parents. Ask your counselor to print out your chart or something similar on school letterhead or something to look official so you have something concrete to give your parents.
Best of luck to you.
Let’s put it this way. You have to apply to non-prestigious schools, but you can hope to get into some or one prestigious school.
The OP’s parents have already used the nuclear option by stating that it is either a reach college or no college (the more likely result of applying only to reaches).
I think the best bet is to educate the parents. The GC may help, as may lists like the Newsweek list or the Washington Monthly list that might have them look a little beyond the usual suspects.
We all may have over analyzed OP’s predicament. It is quite possible that his parents are merely setting high expectation for OP. I am pretty sure they will accept and pay for the “BEST” school that OP manages to get into. What else can they do, disown him and kick him to the curb?