Agree with that Pizza. Makes me wonder sometimes.
Spent some time researching Penn State frat shenanigans and this is by far not the weirdest or most disturbing thing they or other fraternities do.
Who said anything about football players not being bright???
@Matachines Really… care to elaborate?
I thought Consolation was talking about crimes, not stupidity. I wasn’t objecting to football players who aren’t the brightest candle on the birthday cake; I was objecting to football players who knock out their girlfriends in elevators or rape unconscious women and photograph them.
While this has been said before, the real trouble is that universities continue to sanction fraternities and sororities as a legitimate function within their respective communities. These social clubs are anachronistic in nature. As a matter of fact, most of them are just ill-conceived clones of the Flat Hat Society from William and Mary. They perform some sort of token “charity” event in order to justify their existence on college campuses around the country, when the money they (generally) bring into their pet charity is really a drop in the bucket compared to the harm they do to the brands of the universities they inhabit and the brand their members wish to cultivate for themselves. These social clubs constantly brag about historically important people being in their fold at one point or another, but the truth is, many successful and (eventually) historically important people these days get along just fine without the need to pay for friends and contribute to the disgusting culture of drinking, sexual violence, and contrived exclusivity that these social clubs propagate.
Great Philadelphia Daily News column today by Ronnie Polaneczky about about the scandal :
Many of the comments that follow, however, are predictably infuriating.
LucieTheLakie, thanks for the link. That was a really good analysis, in my humble opinion.
I thought the article added very little to any discussion.
Yes, the kid who turned them in did not want to be named.
Yes, the one frat kid out of 40,000 students was quoted with his ridiculous explanation.
The comments afterwards were no different than any comments on any anonymous board.
Yes, there are plenty of idiots who “The word that starts with T ends in Roll” respond to articles to say horrible things to anger people for fun.
The school has suspended the frat indefinitely until they get all the facts. Most everyone is outraged. Again there were 114 members of that page. I’m actually surprised and impressed there were not many, many more people on that facebook page.
I will only be more upset if the school does not revoke that frats charter forever. I believe they will.
144 members on that page, @sax.
Still probably going to rush some frats when I go to PSU in a couple of years. Its definetly a terrible thing, and deserves punishment. But it doesn’t change my opinion of fraternities overall.
I’ve been thinking about the moronic frat boy whom Holly Otterbein interviewed, and the equally moronic probable frat boy who got kicked off his baseball team at Bloomsburg University this weekend after his tweet in which he called Mona’e Davis a slut went viral. Teenagers generally like to think that they are invisible to adults, and that none of what they do involves the adult world. It always comes as a tremendous shock to them when it turns out that they aren’t invisible, and that maybe they are going to be called to account for actions they have to acknowledge were stupid and offensive, but which they had put into a category of “just fooling around.” So a kid who knows perfectly well that it’s not OK to label a 13 year-old girl a slut does it anyway, because he’s just kidding, and then he’s dismayed to be treated as someone who would attack a 13 year-old girl in public. Which he did.
Visibility wouldn’t be an issue if teenage/young male culture was less sexist, violent and just gross.
@katliamom, that appears to be an opinion held by many women since time immemorial. 
@albert69, this was very casual investigation but is some stuff I read. NSFW:
@Matachines, good Lord, I never knew what an “elephant walk” was until now.
@Matachines I thought I was going to puke reading that… And we call ourselves civilized?
I’d like to offer my services for answering fraternity related questions. I am in a fraternity at a Big 10 university. Please “@” me so I get the notification.
Reported yesterday by the AP:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/03/women_pictured_on_penn_state_f.html
It’s not exactly spontaneous though, is it? They’re learning this garbage from older folks. Rush Limbaugh calls Sandra Fluke a “slut” and keeps a high-paying career as a commentator. He’s not alone either; plenty of high-profile people say disgusting things and more or less get away with in the court of public opinion, and that’s not even counting the things that ordinary folks say in the privacy of their own homes, in front of their children. Misogyny isn’t particularly unique to teenagers, and as a vice it’s arguably much more tolerated by society than racism.