Prom Night Sleepover???

<p>Instead of your son saying that his “parents won’t LET him stay overnight,” he can save “face” with these “peers” by saying HE doesn’t want to stay overnight. He doesn’t “have” to give a reason, but if he wants to give one, he can say that he already made plans to take his mom out to breakfast for Mothers Day – or some other reason. (I know most kids at this age don’t want to say, “my mom won’t let me go.”.</p>

<p>BTW… His threat “not to go” is an idle threat. He’s not going to let this girl down and not go.</p>

<p>Jlauer, actually I bought a box of condoms for my son when he was 17 and about to travel overseas, and I would expect/hope that he carries one or two in his wallet at all times. At the time he thought it was the funniest thing in the world – big joke, had to let his sister in on all the fun – but when he got to Thailand what happened? Adults there gave him more condoms. He remained a virgin, returning with more unopened condoms than when he had left – but the point is I figured male + potential temptation = condoms necessary. </p>

<p>I’m sorry that things went differently for your friend’s son, but if there was one thing my mother drummed into my head and I hope I have drummed into my kid’s heads is that birth control comes first. As soon as my daughter was in a relationship that looked like it was getting serious, I made a point of rehashing the birth control & STD talk.</p>

<p>Maybe many might diagree with my view, but this is what I believe.
If the OP thinks that some unwanted situation might happen during her’s son’s after prom stay-over…she should prevent her son from attending it. It really depends on whether you trust your child enough.
Ive seen both sides of this:
My mom didn’t let me go once for a sleep-over a few months back because she suspected that the students might have alcohol and one of them was a smoker. She convinced me not to.
But just a week back she let me go for a sleep-over because she knew I was in good company.
Taking strict action doesn’t mean your cutting down on his fun…you just playing it safe. But, if you make your son understand that you otherwise don’t have a problem with his indipendance, it should be fine. Just don’t make him feel like you are controlling him.</p>

<p>calmom >>>> As soon as my daughter was in a relationship that looked like it was getting serious, I made a point of rehashing the birth control & STD talk. <<<<</p>

<p>Isn’t this being a bit inconsistent? With your son, you gave him condoms even when he didn’t have a girl in his life and was just going to be around women. </p>

<p>However, you gave your d the 'big talk" when she was in a relationship that “looked like it was getting serious”. This implies that you think D might only be sexually active when in a “serious relationship”. To be consistent, you need to give D condoms regardless of her “dating status” just like you did your son – afterall, those males she’s around are going to be just as horny as you expected your s to be.</p>

<p>“Rehashing” doesn’t mean that it was the first time for the “big talk”-- I was bringing the subject up yet again. Old stuff, resurrected because she had progressed from casual dating to spending hours on end with one guy. In fact, initial reaction was a rolling of the eyes and exasperation because… haven’t we already talked about this enough??? That was followed by a more in-depth discussion, once we established that I wasn’t making accusations. </p>

<p>It’s more complicated with a girl than a guy. We needed to talk about options beyond condoms and moving into the area of things-requiring-prescriptions, and how and where to go about arranging that if and when the need arises.</p>

<p>No prom experience here, so probably a REALLY dumb comment, but–
What about kids going to “just” their prom? Shouldn’t that be enough? It sounds as if the after-prom stuff overshadows the actual event.</p>

<p>lspf, ofentimes, afterprom is even bigger than prom itself. a few of my friends are skipping prom, but they are definitely hitting up after prom…</p>

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<p>I think that you and your H have made a wise decision. If you didn’t listen to your “intuition” and went along with this situation and something bad happened, you would never be able to forgive yourself. </p>

<p>Yes, there are some who argue that your S will be on his own in a few month when he goes to college. At least at that time, if there is ever a bad result, it won’t be because you “gave in” to something that you sensed was unwise.</p>

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<p>As the father of a daughter, all I can say is, “thank god for moms!” Sometimes it’s good to be just a stupid ol’ dad.</p>

<p>jlauer, my son relishes the opportunities to say “my mom won’t let me go” or otherwise blame me for things he can’t do. I did tell him he could mention it’s because of Mother’s Day, but I don’t know if he used that excuse (although I did mention it when I spoke to the other mom).</p>

<p>I don’t think sex will be the primary concern here, because from what I know of my son, I don’t think he is ready, especially since he and the girl are not in a relationship - but maybe I am just being naiive! Just to be safe, we have warned him against it, and my husband wants to hand him a couple of condoms along with a stern fatherly chat. “We’re giving you these because we want you to behave responsibly and safely, but we don’t want you to have to use them”. It’s also time to go over our values regarding casual sex - whether he will follow our guidelines or not, especially when he goes to college, we still need to let him know what we expect of him.</p>

<p>I’m a bit battle-weary this morning. Last night, my son wanted to go to a Halo party that would go past midnight on a school night, and he has an IB exam today. We didn’t feel that 5 hours of sleep would be a good idea, so we said absolutely not, and this led to more rattling of the chains on his part and discussions, or should I say arguments, about his right to make his own decisions. To make a long story short, this led to talking about his unhappiness with the prom decision. He’s decided to go to the prom, then just take his date to the post-prom and leave (and return home to sulk all night!). The girl had made some vague offer to have just the two of them go to her house for a while since the adult supervision there was more acceptable to us, and leave her friends to party at the cousin’s. He didn’t want to make her do this, of course. I asked him why the friends were so insistent about being at the cousin’s and it became clear that the purpose of this party is so they can celebrate their freedom - including from adults!</p>

<p>So, what do you think. Should I make my son leave after the prom, or should I think about allowing him to hang out with the group BRIEFLY, for a movie, and then return home around 2? He again insisted that he was not planning on participating in any illicit activity (and I do trust him, but the key word is PLANNING - who knows what he will be up against -it’s the others I don’t trust!). Maybe this would be a fair compromise to the whole sleepover mess - or would it be too much like giving in?</p>

<p>I think you got it right – for you – the first time.</p>

<p>Remember, you are training him on how to deal with YOUR grandchildren. ;)</p>

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<p>What time does the prom end? Midnight or so?</p>

<p>Home at 2 am - if really 2am and not later doesn’t seem unreasonable.</p>

<p>If the Prom ends at midnight, and the kids then go to the cousins, he hangs around for an hour or so (I assume it takes 20-30 minutes to drive to and from), then he should be able to be home by 2. I think I’d probably let him do this, with the stipulation that he is home by 2.
Any later, and he’ll be fighting fatigue (he probably will be anyway) and driving will not be safe. Impress upon him that you trust him not to drink and act responsibly, you want him to have fun, but this is all about safety.
JMO</p>

<p>I’d also not say home AROUND 2 am, but 2 am sharp, with consequences if the time is ignored (such as losing car for a while). Maybe either your husband can be the “bad cop” and stipulate that the 2am is a real curfew, with consequences… Anything less sounds too vaque for your son at this point in his development, from what you’ve told us so far. I remember when my D was testing her limits and freedom, specifics were really important. Anything vague leaves too much wiggle room.</p>

<p>I also agree completely with your decision about Halo night. A school night. A no brainer.</p>

<p>Mini, with all the talk about sex, let’s not bring the specter of grandchildren into the picture, please! :)</p>

<p>He’s already told me many times he will never be as strict with his kids as we have been with him…I say time will tell, because I believe that deep down inside, he’s a cautious and conservative soul.</p>

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<p>Is there any parent on this board who has never heard these words?? :D</p>

<p>Me. I think at least one of my kids is likely to be much more strict than I am. At 17, my older one was traveling by herself and working half way around the world, and I expect the same will be true for my younger one. I TRUST them.</p>

<p>I know the parents. ;)</p>

<p>ASAP, good advice about the 2AM sharp. He does like to find any loophole he can. If we do decide to give him this option, we’ll probably ask for the address and phone # of the location, as well as offer to pick him up since it will be late and he is not familiar with the area around the apt. (it’s also a half an hour drive from us, which is a bit much at that time of night.)</p>

<p>Of course all these demands might make this unappealing to him, which wouldn’t be a bad thing either!</p>

<p>Quote: “Should I make my son leave after the prom, or should I think about allowing him to hang out with the group BRIEFLY, for a movie, and then return home around 2? He again insisted that he was not planning on participating in any illicit activity (and I do trust him, but the key word is PLANNING - who knows what he will be up against -it’s the others I don’t trust!). Maybe this would be a fair compromise to the whole sleepover mess - or would it be too much like giving in?”</p>

<p>It would be good for your son to participate in some of the afterprom. Here is where you can be flexible for best results. Even if the prom is scheduled to end at midnight or whatever, there is no guarantee that your son’s group will stay until the very end. And that’s okay. If they decide to leave a little early, that’s fine. But you want to know what he’s doing. </p>

<p>How about if your son calls you when they leave the prom. He drives to the afterprom location and calls you when he arrives. Now you know he’s off the road. This second call should be made from a landline; when the number lights up on your caller ID or cell, it will confirm his location (assuming you were given the correct number to begin with).</p>

<p>It’s very possible that the afterprom location will change if the kids hear of another party while they’re at the prom. Let’s assume that he sticks with the original plan, which sounds like the cousin’s house. </p>

<p>Let’s say it is now 11:30pm, or 12:30am, it doesn’t matter. Instead of setting up a specific time for pick-up, and I do think you should pick him up since it will be later than he’s used to, he is likely to be fatigued after the long evening, and he’s unfamiliar with the neighborhood, suggest that he call you within the hour to set a definite pick up time. It’s up to him to make sure he makes this happen. This will give him the chance to get a handle on what’s going on, whether they are going to watch a movie or not, etc. Whether that time ends up being 2am or 3am really doesn’t matter so much as him completing the evening safely and as positively as possible. I would give a little extra leash here if when you talk to him you sense that he is in fact sober, happy, the background noise sounds consistent with what he tells you, etc.
For instance, if there is a movie going on, you would try to arrive at its conclusion, not at its halfway point. Once the pickup time is set, you both need to commit to it.</p>

<p>So to recap, 1) he calls when he leaves the prom, 2) he calls when he gets to the cousin’s house, and 3) he calls an hour later to confirm your pick up time, which is sometime between 2am and 3am (count on 3am!). Maybe you’ll drive his date home, or maybe she’ll elect to sleep over. When you arrive at the house, just call his cell and have him come out, don’t ring the doorbell. Duh. And don’t expect him to be waiting on the stoop for you. </p>

<p>What you do not want is to force him to leave before he is ready, have him comply, but then have him sneak out of the house once you turn out the lights and go to bed. </p>

<p>BTW, If you pick him up, what are you going to do with his car which is there?</p>

<p>Don’t concern yourself with being kept up on prom night. It’s your birthright to be a little nervous (just a little) and sleep deprived and it’s his night, not yours. Especially a kid who’s always been home by midnight! He may consider it the most awesome night ever just because he got to stay out until 2 or 3am. Don’t worry about a nookie fest; if you’re sending him off with condoms have your husband discuss it with him today so the message is not linked so directly with the prom experience. I think in today’s American Pie world both male and female promgoers should carry condoms. I rather like the idea of high school seniors howling over the misguided notions of their parents to send them all off with condoms, and pulling them out of their pockets and evening bags to compare colors and styles… maybe blowing them up to make balloon animals…well, maybe not at the banquet table but later on…sure beats the alternative and takes some of the heat off the wedding-like romance expectations of today’s prom culture. </p>

<p>There’s just too much hype over this dumb prom evening.
Hearing that the date offered to hang out with him at her parent’s house is a good sign and a nice gesture, though a bit weird… she would consider her friends hanging out at the cousin’s without her? I don’t quite get it. </p>

<p>Usually the more turmoil before an event, the tamer the event turns out to be. It’s like the Murphy’s Law of teen nightlife: the bigger deal we parents make over things, the more it turns out to be an overreaction. Another indication of the night unrolling peacefully.</p>

<p>The best result for the night will come from you and your son each getting what you “need” from the arrangements: supervision vs. independence, for one. If you can each articulate that in some detail, then afterwards you’ll be able to assess the success of the night in terms of the parent-son negotiation. Trying to balance need vs. need may help reframe your discussions from win vs. lose, which is a power-based result. It’s not going to balance out perfectly, but it may help you to move your two positions closer together. Most importantly, it will help set the stage for a summer full of nightlife and the many discussions to come. I have no doubt that you want him to have a terrific (and of course safe) evening, and I’m sure he wants the same. Hopefully it will work out for both of you and when you look back on it, you’ll feel that you felt successful in meeting your responsibilities as a mom, and he felt successful in managing the parts of the evening that were within his control. </p>

<p>How are you handling the pre-prom pictures?</p>

<p>Speckledegg, I like your clear instructions! - particularly the part about having him call from the landline when he gets there (suspicious minds think alike:) ). I’ll have to make sure he understands the rules he needs to follow before we reach any final agreement.</p>

<p>If I did pick him up, we could probably have my husband and me both drive out in one car and then drive home separately (we actually did this for Homecoming last fall when he stayed for an afterprom with CLOSE friends and his former girlfriend - I miss her! - until almost 3 AM - we CAN be flexible for special occasions!) Of course the other alternative would be to return on Mother’s Day for the car, but I’d prefer to be basking in some special treatment from my son that day (maybe a little kindness?).</p>

<p>As far as the pictures go, my son hates pictures, and since girls always insist on them, I have to rely on his date to make sure they happen. I think the boys are letting the girls handle this part of the event. I’m not sure I want anything to remind me of this trial!!!</p>

<p>But you’re right, we want this to be a win-win situation for all, if possible, and not have things end on a bad note. </p>

<p>I can’t wait for Mother’s Day!</p>

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Well, if it’s anything like my experience Mini, the younger one will be traveling at 16. me: son–> Thailand, 4 weeks, age 17; daughter ----> Russia, twice, 4 weeks, then 4 months, age 16. Whatever he did, she always had to do earlier and somehow make it better. </p>

<p>To Chatnoir: We all have our own standards and parenting styles. I fell into the camp of as few rules as possible, but no wavering on the few rules that exist. I also believed that once they were 18, they were adults and free to do whatever they wanted as long as it was legal – though I have always expected common courtesy as a member of a shared household. I never really had any problems or issues. </p>

<p>I’m not saying that anyone else should follow this approach – just that it works fine for me. We don’t have any arguments or scenes going on in my house – and surprisingly enough, my kids are very much interested in my opinion & advice, and very deferential to my wishes and decisions, although they are both very independent minded and strong willed. I think part of it may be that since there weren’t many limits, there wasn’t much room to develop a pattern of limit-testing, at least not with me. The “few rules” I had were always so obvious in terms of the reasons behind them that there wasn’t any point arguing. And even though I didn’t have many “rules”, there were always natural consequences: they had to fix what they broke, clean up their own messes, etc. So I guess as teenagers they knew that their mom wouldn’t stop them from messing up, but mom wasn’t going to bail them out either.</p>

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<p>Ccalmom- I’m glad you qualified your statement with “at least not with me,” because if there is one thing I have learned from parenting it’s that
it’s not always the parent’s parenting style, or anything about the parents at all that make some kids harder to parent than others.</p>

<p>My daughter tested the rules in my womb- bouncing around non-stop.
When she was born, she refused to keep quiet or still with the swaddling they wrapped around her in the hospital - she was the only baby in the viewing window that screamed and kicked until she could get the blanket off of her.
All through pre-school (she was “promoted” from pre-school to the pre-K even though she was legally too young - in other words, kicked out of preschool) and she continued to test the limits with every teacher until she hit the fifth grade. The stories would fill a book - I don’t think there was one elementary year we weren’t called to the principal’s office or had a “special” conference with her teacher. We did have four relatively calm years -10 through 13- until she decided she was ready to be an adult with adult privileges. Fortunately, that little bit of rebellion was short-lived when we enlisted grandparents and circled the wagons. Everyone in my family knows that my daughter has been “a handful” from the very beginning. We were neither overly strict nor permissive. We learned early on that she needed very specific rules and clear expectations. When she didn’t have them, she would test the authority until they were made clear. Thus, the teacher conflicts.</p>

<p>My son, on the other hand, was a “self-raising” child who was born with the wisdom of a old man. Never tested, never pushed, always just the rignt amount of respect and independent thinking. He may have learned some things from his sister, but most of his equanimity came from his personality, before birth. (the easiest birth ever, of coiurse, right on time and a piece of cake ;)) We could be looser in our parenting style with him because he was happy to follow the rules at home and at school. In fact, when he was very young and D was old enough to take care of him for a few hours (13 or so) we would call in to see how things were going, and he would be the one we felt we could get the scoop from, and he was the one who took care of things, even though he was three years younger.
I feel that having had a difficult kid has given me an appreciation for parenting that I could not have had if I had only had my son - or two like him. What a piece of cake this parenting business would have seemed. No sweat!</p>

<p>Kids are different and present very different challenges based on their personalities. Some kids will push the boundaries no matter how far out you put them. For parents whose kids were not limit testers, I say how nice for you! You have no idea!</p>