So only upperclassmen or athletes throw parties? Freshman and non-athletes don’t know how? Or aren’t interested?
Maybe a little perspective is needed. Tonight I’m going to make PPE for nursing homes. These are to protect the workers, but the residents really have lost everything, some even dying alone. Governor just lifted the visiting shut down and now residents can have visits with relatives if the facilities set up outside visiting areas with social distancing guidelines.
Upperclass students are more likely to be of the age to be able to buy alcohol for the parties.
https://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/media/Journal/082-Presley.pdf notes that student involvement in athletics is associated with more drinking.
I don’t disagree that things are likely to work out at Bowdoin. But I didn’t think the on-campus kids are restricted from going to town? Or otherwise leaving campus?
There are 140 juniors and seniors who had already been approved to live off campus this year, and there could be several dozen more (who knows maybe 100+) heading out that way as many are working to book rentals right now.
One of the local hotels is also allowing kids to live there for the semester too, board included. Last I knew they had around 10 students booked to live there, and I bet they fill up.
So I do think there will be ample opportunities for those on-campus to socialize off-campus. The off-campus students are not allowed to go on-campus though.
@Mwfan1921 The 500 or so students on campus for fall at Bowdoin can go to town. They said on the town hall that they just expect those kids to follow the masking rules when they leave campus. For those of you who don’t know, “town” is right off campus and just has a few coffee shops and restaurants. Maybe one bar but kids don’t go.
Seems like most kids I know getting houses in Maine could not get one in Brunswick and are more like 10-15 miles away so there’s not going to be some raging parties right outside campus.
Saw an interview of president of Bowdoin College on CNBC an hour or so ago talking about their plan. Sounded thoughtful, conservative, and reasonable ,
I think 50%+ of D’s high school senior class has fake IDs. It’s easier to get now than ever before…trust me when I say that college freshman can easily get alcohol…
High percentage of kids here with fakes too, and they are so real looking. D19’s (I am sad to report) passed muster when a casino floor chief took her fake to the backroom to verify it was real…not sure the system they use to do that.
It has also passed the blue light thingy that many bar bouncers shine on IDs.
Think this “not wanting to sit through in-person lectures” was already happening, pre-pandemic. I live near Cal and last year, I audited a course for fun. The class had 150 students enrolled. It was a survey history course and fulfilled breadth requirements for many students, which is why it was so large–the topic itself was not a hugely popular one.
The lectures were not recorded, but all the slides from them were available to the students online. There were also smaller sections that were required attendance. For the larger lecture session, I estimate that about 40 of the 150 students showed up each time. I didn’t attend the sections so I don’t know if those were well-attended or not, but I think so, because your attendance at section was factored into your grade. But less than half showing up for the lecture surprised me.
Thanks for posting. Seemed unlikely just a month ago that they’d bring all students back. I’m curious if they’ll use adjacent hotels for housing; from what I read it sounds like they’re planning to secure apartments though.
Since for whatever reason the moderators aren’t letting me add posts with links, I can’t share Colgate’s Task Force report on reopening this fall. But here are the key points:
Students must provide a negative test result within 10 days of moving in; students will be tested within 2 days of arrival and again within two weeks. There will be no triples. Early move-in of belongings throughout August, with staggered move-in on August 23rd, and limit of two family members with the student. Hybrid teaching model. Full remote teaching and exams from Thanksgiving through end of the fall semester. No fall break. On campus dining will seemingly be permitted with varies dining facilities having additional hours and no self-service; Colgate has purchased the nearby Wendt University Inn that can house of to 193 people for isolation purposes after positive tests. Fall sport are TBD.
That is a question I have been asking myself, @yearstogo.
MIT’s tentative plan called for all classes online for everyone (that part is pretty much set in stone) and some small group experiences for seniors and juniors on campus during the fall, with freshmen and sophomores replacing juniors during in the spring.
I selfishly hope this is what they go with.
However, if the fall conditions on campus are such that everyone is learning online from their rooms and eating boxed lunches, with no spontaneous group interactions possible, it is not out of the question that we would opt out, as there is a point where such an “experience” is not worth the extra risk and expense. And MIT’s internal deliberations raised the possibility of additional financial incentives to those opting to study from home.
We should know something within the next two weeks, and I hope MIT does right by its students.
Yep, the kids order them from a company in China and the quality is very good. They just send them a photo and the name they want on the ID and voila, fake ID comes a week or so later.
I digress but when I was in high school, we had to use an X-acto knife to lift numbers off the drivers license (they were paper at the time) and put in different dates to be of drinking age. And later in college, guys were making up fake birth certificates with stolen state seal emposser machines and selling to students for $20 a pop. You take the birth certificate to the Dept. Of Motor Vehicle (DMV) and they would issue you a real CA ID. Oh, a walk down memory lane…
^^At the same time, DS has already began finding his people via online platforms, and all indications are that MIT will encourage and foster those interactions during the year.
It is not all doom and gloom.
@scoop85, the Terms of Service state that you can link only to authoritative websites. Google drive docs, social media sites, blogs, etc. aren’t allowed.
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@suzyQ7 I’ll offer a little empathy to your kid. It really is painful for these kids to lose senior spring and know it’s a time they can never recreate. I’m sure your D is appreciative of other things in her life, but she or you shouldn’t feel shame that she feels badly about her loss. Of course other people in this world have greater losses, but your D’s pain is absolute so it’s real for her. People telling her just be glad she isn’t a Syrian refugee is just silly. I always hate it when people try to diminish your loss by listing greater losses. Like you have breast cancer, but at least you don’t have brain cancer, or you had a miscarriage but you already have a kid, or your mother died, but at least you have one parent left. I’m sure your D has perspective, but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t rightfully feel sad, mad etc. Big hug to her.
I don’t even think that’s true. Some of us think it’s unsafe to go back now. Some of us love the bonus bonding time.
@MaineLonghorn thank you for the clarification. Colgate’s Task Force report was shared as a Google Doc, so that explains that.
My son would.