@taverngirl - its behind a paywall.
Worked for me.
Funny that Michigan seems optimistic but Wayne State in Detroit is planning on online classes.
@taverngirl @jym626 I could see it with no subscription. Maybe there is a limit on number of “free” articles from that publication? Very helpful - it linked to an article from DS’s school about fall planning that I hadn’t seen.
@jym626 and others who can’t see. Here is the list:
Beloit College — shifting to a “module based semester” to allow flexibility to move toward either online or in-person classes
Boston University — leaning toward in-person classes
Brown University — leaning toward in-person classes
California State University at Fullerton — starting fall semester online
Centre College — block-schedulingcourses in shorter segments to allow flexibility to shift toward either in-person or remote learning
Clemson University — exploring a range of scenarios, from in-person classes to entirely online
Cornell University — no decisionexpected until June
Montana State University — planningfor the return of students in the fall, subject to guidance from a task force
Ohio State University — leaning toward in-person classes, with a final decision by late June
Purdue University — planning to start fall semester in person if testing and contact tracing allows
San Jose State University — planning to conduct classes mostly or entirely online
Southern New Hampshire University — planning to allow students to move into dorms, and is offering full tuition scholarships to incoming freshmen
Stanford University — expects to make a decision in May, but might delay fall quarter till winter
University of Arizona — planning to hold in-person classes
University of Central Florida — leaningtoward in-person classes
University of Maine system — planningfor in-person classes
University of Maryland system — planning to start in-person, but some larger classes may be online
University of Michigan — hoping to hold classes in-person
University of Missouri — planning for in-person classes
Washington State University — planning for in-person classes
Wayne State University — leaningtoward starting fall classes online
West Virginia University — exploring a range of scenarios, from in-person to entirely online
William Jewell College — intends to open for fall semester”
Thanks, @taverngirl. I actually HAVE a subscription to the Chronicle and it made me log in to read the article!
That Chronicle article doesn’t say much. I think everyone wants to be the first to publish “what’s going to happen”. All of those schools “plan” or “intend”. No one knows yet so this is not news worthy.
Shortening BA/BS programs is something publics have incentive to do, because most students are subsidized. Privates may not have that incentive, but may want students there a full four tuition-paying years. Publics seem to be much more generous with credit units for AP scores, probably for this reason.
World Health Organizer just announced there is no evidence that having antibodies will protect one from getting corona virus again, and that using such test results is not good public policy.
Hmmm this is interesting and you don’t know what I am talking about… Lol.
Maybe if schools are more liennt with AP class’s in general then this would thin out class’s for the freshman fall classes? This could be a strategy going forward…
@sylvan8798 - You really are not do yourself any favors, one may wonder who is the wise As$ teenager ( and I am not saying anyone here is) and who is the more mature adult in your conversations with some on the board dearie.
The warning about public policy makes sense. Leaving aside that better info will be available in the future, just an observation that if natural antibodies were unhelpful, the utility of a vaccine would be seriously in doubt.
@ucbalumnus Well I think people avoided them in the beginning because they were advising social distancing, but I think sooner or later, people will grow tired of it and will take on the risk in favor of getting life back to normal.
@Empireapple I think by fall everyone will be ignoring social distancing measures in favor of getting life back to normal. I think everyone will be willing to take the risk.
As @roycroftmom said in post #1437,
The World Health Organization says no evidence recovered Covid 19 patients are protected from second infection.
To those who think colleges will be in-person in fall 2020, does this change your thinking at all?
From article: “Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an ‘immunity passport’ or ‘risk-free certificate’ that would enable individuals to travel or to return to work assuming that they are protected against re-infection,” the WHO said.
“There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” it said.
My husband is employed in higher ed and we know many people across the country employed at colleges and universities. Most of the professors I know want to get back into the classroom. Many are willing to sign on for hybrid forms of teaching that will be more time consuming to teach. Splitting up your classes to maximize social distancing, plus recording class sessions, plus moderating participation of remote learners while also delivering material in real time is a lot. Yet many are willing to make the attempt, even some high powered researchers, because sharing ideas and knowledge in person can be a joy. And many are willing to put on a mask and maintain an appropriate amount of social distance to minimize their personal risk. If essential businesses are allowed to operate at 25% capacity, so should college classrooms.
That said, there are immunocompromised and/or older faculty and students for whom the health risk of face to face classes would be great. And there are some for whom the current economic situation imposes scheduling constraints. These folks will need accommodations and they should get them. For the foreseeable future, I think that there will be a greater proportion of online offerings for those that need them, paired with hybrid and face to face courses for folks that need them. There are people who physically cannot sit in front of a screen all day or who lack sufficient internet access and they need to be accommodated too.
All of this, of course, depends on local and state laws regarding occupancy and group size. And it does not address the question of dorms, dining halls, and the milling about that happens on college campuses.
I do not believe that this moment is the thin edge of the wedge to online higher education. If anything, it has demonstrated how much human beings are social creatures. It may be that when this is all over, we will be so heartily sick of screens and that we may put down our cell phones a bit more. It’s also obvious from comments here, that we place a premium on face to face learning. How many times has it been repeated that “I’m not paying X for online classes when I could pay so much less at the local public university”? From the university point of view, good online courses are expensive to develop and time consuming to administer. They have been necessary in this moment and some will continue to be necessary as part of a balanced approach to higher education delivery. But I doubt that they will become the preferred model in the long run.
@mamaedefamilia I couldn’t agree more. I hear no one saying “oh this online thing is terrific…why bother going back to school?”
S19’s professors tell the kids they really want to get back to school. This is not rewarding for them either.
Given the germophobe paranoia some have resorted to (far beyond any government orders or recommendations, like spending hours sanitizing groceries and mail), it is likely that many will not go back to normal until either they get a vaccine or medical knowledge advances enough that the risk is better known and lower than it is now.
…unless there’s a second wave of infections. The timing should be determined by science, rather than some people’s opinions. So much is still unknown about the virus that it’s impossible to evaluate the risk properly at this stage.
This is going to be the case for at risk populations until (and IF) there is a vaccine. This is an issue at colleges, but also for K-12 teachers, staff, and students, as well as every other workplace.
CDC and other governmental guidelines will likely still suggest these groups continue to isolate when things start opening up…things can’t start opening up for at risk groups because the virus will be circulating and there is no way people in these groups can be 100% protected. Not at work, not at the grocery store, not getting gas, etc. etc.
Each individual who falls into these at risk groups will have to make their own decisions regarding what level of risk they will take if they choose to not isolate. It may sound harsh, but that’s the reality. Of course workplaces should create situations where those groups can be protected to some level, but again it will never be 100%.
@mamaedefamilia Well said. The hybrid approach was already starting (onward with tech and flex options in learning!) and is now likely going to have to be fully embraced due to COVID19. Both in-person and online are going to have to happen, in alternate measures and/or simultaneously, in order to move forward.
Many of my friends and family are within academia, a few at certain high prestige colleges in the Boston area. One high profile professor friend switched all his labs and lectures online back in February since he figured the virus was headed our way and he is and always has been a massive germaphobe (not a bad thing given the circumstances). The others have always been tech-savvy and didn’t have much trouble quickly converting their classes online this semester, and all now plan to make changes to their courses when students come back to the classroom - they will make use of both in-person and online learning options from now on to better accommodate all kinds of various circumstances and preferences. Hybrid is likely going to be the new norm for reasons not limited to COVID, which IMO isn’t a bad thing (the current circumstances surrounding this quick push toward a hybrid model are obviously unfortunate, though).
Probably not news, but my kid let me know all the Brown profs have been told to prepare all their classes for on-line instruction for the Fall, and they are being given TAs to help them facilitate this. They are still hoping to have in-person classes, but students will be given the choice to stay home and attend on-line.