Should I speak up, or respect DD's request to stay quiet?

<p>I wasn’t saying you were wrong, berurah. In fact, your post makes a great deal of sense. It’s selling it to the OP’s daughter that may be difficult. </p>

<p>I’m glad to see so many people recommending talking to the school guidance department. Times sure have changed. When I was a senior in high school, several of us were concerned about a very quiet boy in our AP Biology class, who had said some things to his lab partner that could be interpreted as suicidal. A group of us went together to the boy’s guidance counselor and explained the situation. The counselor said, “Well, what do you expect me to do about it?” At least nowadays, counselors know that addressing this kind of issue is part of their jobs.</p>

<p>One of my daughter’s friends was in a bad spot emotionally a year or so ago, and my daughter was pretty much her therapist. When we finally learned of the situation, my daughter was a wreck. Luckily, she acknowledged the situation was way above her head, and that her friend needed help that she couldn’t provide. </p>

<p>I didn’t feel comfortable going to the parents. I knew them, but not well. I debated this round and round in my head, and my gut feeling was that while I was responsible for making sure this friend was safe, it was not my responsibility to tell the parents. There are some parents who I would tell, so I think it is an individual thing. </p>

<p>We gave our daughter some options. One was that her friend confide in us, and we get help. Another was that my daughter talk to a trusted teacher or counselor at school. I made it clear that if nothing was done within a certain time frame, then I would go and talk to someone at school.</p>

<p>My daughter opted to confide in a trusted teacher. Before she talked, the teacher told her that she was obligated to report this conversation to guidance and that parents would be notified. My daughter decided to talk anyway. I am somewhat troubled that the teacher was obligated to go to guidance, and that the parents would be brought in. In some circumstances (like unwanted pregnancy or a kid who is realizing they are gay), there can be very good reasons not to bring in parents. </p>

<p>From our perspective, the situation turned out OK. The friend got help. School personnel were wonderful. My daughter also got support from the school. The two continued to be friends (even though the friend had begged my daughter to tell no one, it was recognized in the end that my daughter did do the right thing). It worked for us, having our daughter handle the situation in a way she felt comfortable.</p>

<p>About the comparison of depression and diabites, yeas, they are both diseases, however a the BF and The Ex are lashing out in potentialy dangerous ways and that is the difference</p>

<p>If my D had a friend who has seizures, would I be smart to let D in a car with her if her medication was being adjusted…</p>

<p>That is not being judgemental or cruel, its being prudent</p>

<p>Sometimes parents just need to set boundaries…</p>

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<p>I understand your reservations but as a teacher (and a parent) you have to look at the other side. For example, what if your daughter were pregnant and miscarried or it turned out the pregnancy was ectopic. Now think about how you would feel if you didn’t find out about it until there was some sort of health emergency and then you found out that a teacher or guidance counselor knew and you didn’t. Or what if your gay son learned or suspected he may be HIV positive and someone at school was aware of it but you were not.</p>

<p>School personnel have an obligation to inform parents anytime a student’s health is at risk whether it is their physical or emotional health. The same is true if a school learns there has been a crime committed i.e. rape.</p>

<p>The kid hasn’t been diagnosed yet. </p>

<p>Having dated a few mental gf in the past, some are just very well read on the subject and attempt to duplicate the symtoms to manipulate the situation. Burn me once or in my case a couple of times…:wink: and eventually you figure it out. </p>

<p>There is nothing wrong with giving the kid space to solve it for himself first. That way, he can build self confidence in himself that he can handle things. If the daughter has to save him at 15, will she be doing it at 16,17,18? </p>

<p>See how he does on his own first. </p>

<p>And being a diabetic, and dealing with that issue and the depression that wonderful diease can cause. Getting out of a funk has to be self generated. Support is wonderful, yes, but support can easily be abused.</p>

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<p>I think this was one of the most important things said in the thread. </p>

<p>In 15 years in the social services, I was involved in a lot of delicate situations involving mental health issues. My experience has been that when all is said and done, if the person genuinely needed help, he or she ends up grateful to whoever was the catalyst for them getting it, regardless of what the person might have said beforehand. OTOH, if the boy is mainly being manipulative (or has an addictive issue he isn’t ready to face), he probably will resent outside interference–but then your D will be better off out of the relationship. </p>

<p>Helping your D. understand that a good relationship will be strengthened rather than jeapordized by you or her going to the counselor may help overcome her reservations.</p>

<p>I would only talk to the parents if they were among my best friends–and even then, I’ve gotten the smack-down denial.</p>

<p>I was never a perfect being and I never assumed my boys were perfect but I learned the hard way that many boomer parents aren’t as realistic. They don’t want to know. Their super great kids will tell big fat lies to help their parents keep up the fantasy. </p>

<p>My way around the smack down is to give the kid 24 hours to tell the parent or headmaster himself/herself. That works fairly well. Limits the upset.</p>

<p>I’m so glad to see so many responses and so many level-headed, caring parents. Sly-Vt, thanks for your story, it seems to mirror mine.</p>

<p>To clarify, when I said BF was “lashing out” it wasn’t in any way violent or even verbally abusive. He just said things that he knew would make her angry so he would have someone to argue with and to blame for his bad mood. It didn’t take her long to figure out what he was doing and why, and after about a day he admitted as much and apologized. I am concerned that they do have an overly-dramatic relationship. I think her patience is wearing thin with this - at least I hope so. This last time she had collected the jewelry he had given her for Xmas and Valentines in a pile, and put his sweatshirt in her school bag to return to him, so I think she was serious about walking away if he didn’t apologize and straighten up.</p>

<p>Opie, in the past we have tried to get DD to back off from this relationship. DD and BF took that to mean that we didn’t “like” him, which turned the whole thing into Romeo and Juliet. There’s nothing more romantic than 2 people who have to defy authority to be together! It’s taken us 2 months to undo that damage. </p>

<p>I do plan to look for the book that was mentioned before, “Women Who Love Too Much.” (Too bad D doesn’t enjoy reading and currently has 2 books she’s supposed to be reading for English!)</p>

<p>I should also say that DD has several friends (male and female) who have told her that she shouldn’t put up with BF’s behavior. I think she’s beginning to listen to them. She knows now that she will have support if she walks away. </p>

<p>DD’s therapist and I have both stressed to her that she cannot be responsible for BF at the age of 15. DD asked the therapist if she could bring BF to her next session so he could see that it’s not awful (No lying on a couch with someone asking “How does that make you FEEL?” after every comment!) The therapist said that was absolutely fine with her, but DD hasn’t been able to talk BF into going.</p>

<p>In the mean time I will probably talk confidentially to Guidance. If the shoe were on the other foot and it were my child with the problem, I’d prefer that the parents “in the know” talk to me instead of the school. However, I think my primary obligation is to DD, and as long as I try to get to get help for BF I’m not as concerned about his parents. I know the school will bring them in to it, and its the only way my fingerprints won’t be all over it. (DD already thinks I’m a stalker-parent anyway!) BF will either get the help he needs, or if this is an act he’ll see that it had some consequences and he’ll quit.</p>

<p>Just want to comment that this thread has stirred some sad memories, though it’s not a very similar situation. </p>

<p>In fact, it’s kind of hard to tell what’s going on with the OP’s D’s bf because “she thinks he might be depressed” is so vague. Hopefully, everyone knows that if a kid says something like, “I think I’ll kill myself,” the red lights would go on and no one would hesitate to tell parents, counselors, other friends and get help racing to the one in need. But this doesn’t always happen and the consequences are devastating and irrevocable. </p>

<p>In his junior year, a close friend of S1 committed suicide during the h.s. spring break. None of his 16-year-old male friends saw it coming – except for one brief email the boy sent to one friend saying he felt “all alone” and that he’d probably always be alone. The friend replied with a “snap out of it, man” answer and they made plans to go to a paintball place in a group that weekend. The parents never saw it coming, either, in fact his grades were improving and he had recently gone on a date with a girl he liked a lot. Trimmed his almost-shoulder length hair, wore a shirt with buttons and put on pants instead of shorts (a major statement for this kid). They thought he was fine. The person that did see it coming, the girl he went out with on the date, thought she had handled the situation well when she told him she didn’t want to be his GF per se, just friends. And when, a few days later, he poured out his heart to her and told her he was thinking of committing suicide, she thought she had talked him out of it. She really thought she had talked him out of it, so she told no one what he had said. Not his other friends and not his parents or her own. (This was spring break, so she wasn’t able to tell a counselor but I’m not sure she would have since she thought she had handled it.)</p>

<p>Two days after the conversation with the girl, this boy waited until his parents went to work and then swallowed the rest of the bottle of vicadin that had been prescribed for him (four wisdom teeth taken out a few days earlier) and also a lot of cough medicine. Apparently, he had researched on the internet how to commit suicide with pills and cough medicine. My S and the other friends found out about it the next day when they called to find out why he was late arriving for the drive to the paintball place. The guys called the girl, a mutual friend, and told her and that’s when she told them of her earlier conversation with the boy. </p>

<p>Of course, the parents and younger brother (who found him) were heartbroken. The mother is a SAH mom mostly who works part time as an accountant and is only busy around tax time (spring break). In the first week or so after it happened, when she could talk through the sobs, she would say: We didn’t know. If I’d known I never would have gone to work that day…we’d have gotten him counseling…we would have done something.
Why didn’t she tell us? </p>

<p>This teenage girl did not want to betray a confidence so she didn’t tell anyone. She thought she had successfully talked him out it because they talked for a long time on the phone and she got him to say he didn’t mean it. It doesn’t seem to matter how many times there’s a suicide prevention program or article that says, don’t ignore these signs, get help. </p>

<p>The point is, kids should not be counseling each other and thinking they can solve a friend’s problems just by talking. If friends make a plea for help, please tell a counselor right away, with urgency, or if you know them, tell the parents. Give them the chance to help their child.</p>

<p>conyat: Yes, I was very proud of my daughter for realizing that in this case, breaking a promise (“promise you won’t tell anyone”) was the right thing to do. The friendship was a little rocky for a while, but my daughter knew that her friend’s need for help had to come first. And I think that in the end, the friendship became stronger because of what my daughter did. Kids think snitching is a sin (there’s a plagiarism thread in Admissions, I think, where kids insist that a snitch is the bottom of the bottom). And jazzymom, what a sad story. So, Lafalum, if you can convince your daughter to go for help, that might be the best thing. It takes maturity and strength of character to realize when a situation has gotten beyond something that friends can deal with.</p>

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<p>It would seem wise to me, but I can’t talk her into much. She blames herself for everything and thinks her parents would be more angry about her violation of their trust than the trauma itself.</p>

<p>"DD and BF took that to mean that we didn’t “like” him, which turned the whole thing into Romeo and Juliet. There’s nothing more romantic than 2 people who have to defy authority to be together! It’s taken us 2 months to undo that damage. "</p>

<p>Try laughter next time. Parents slip into the drama unknowingly as well. Sometimes parents just need to not tolerate dumb behavior. Sometimes ya just point out the facts and don’t sugar coat it. I know, I know this sounds mean, but sometimes you have to have a bit of a disconnect and be blunt with a smile on your face. </p>

<p>Where’s this headed? Ask that question. Do you simply know if your being played? Ask that one. </p>

<p>I have to say one thing, your d is enjoying the drama too. The symbolism of gathering the gifts to return. Drama, drama, drama, call it what it is and smile. Point out it takes two to have a dramadity. Ask her how long she plans to play along. </p>

<p>Again I am really sorry that I’m being blunt but the BF is an energy vampire, he will feed on your families energy and emotions as long as you let him. How old is he anyway? Break out the garlic…</p>

<p>Goodluck Lafalum – I guess if you have a good guidance dept., (better than the one at our local public, I hope!) that would be the easiest way to try to deal with this. At least someone other than your daughter will check in with the kid and maybe his parents if it is deemed necessary. And if the parents are brought into this, it might be easier for them to understand the seriousness of their son’s problem if it comes from a counselor, not another parent or your daughter. Good luck to you and your daughter!</p>

<p>Oh jazzymom, that is a heartbreaker.</p>

<p>Cyber hugs to you and your D, LAf. Sending cyber hopes that all turns out for the best.</p>

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This is <em>SO</em> true, jazzy. My heart goes out to your son for the loss of his good friend during his junior year of h.s.! What a devastating emotional event for all concerned, but most particularly, of course, for the young man’s parents who are left with a whole host of “if onlies”…</p>

<p>In one of my posts above, I suggested that the OP have a long talk with her D to explain that this situation warrants adult intervention. So many teens believe that they can handle things themselves or that a parent will not understand. Of course there are some who just don’t get it, but many parents have the wisdom, maturity, and life experience to realize when a situation is truly dangerous. Granting a teen the adult privilege of making this decision or determining when secrecy is warranted may have very serious and life-altering repercussions. Better my kid should be mad at me temporarily than have to live with the consequences of a decision s/he was not in a knowledgeable enough position to make.</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>Jazzy, I will share your story with DD. As far as I know, BF has never threatened to kill himself, just to “hurt” himself (which as far as I can tell either involves drinking or picking at his cuticles until they bleed). </p>

<p>Opie, I think you are right about the drama. In a perverse way she enjoys it too, it makes her feel important and needed. To answer your question BF is also 15.</p>

<p>However, something happened this weekend that has lead my husband and I to decide we will speak directly to his parents, because there are things going on that involve DD. We will tell her before we speak to them. We are not going to force her to break up with him, but she will not be allowed to see him (outside of school, of course) until we have talked to his parents and know that they are aware of what is going on. Unfortunately I found out what happened this weekend by snooping, and when DD realizes this she is going to throw a fit and accuse me of invading her privacy. I fear this will make her even more secretive, but at this point I think something has to be done. </p>

<p>I dread another round of DD crying in school and her grades plumetting again, but I’ve had it with this whole situation. If she wants to stay with him it, it will have to be with everything out in the open between the two of them and both sets of parents.</p>

<p>It sounds like this situation is very different than you first thought.
Once something happens that involves your daughter where boundaries have been crossed, it’s clear it’s time to step in. It’s no longer about your worry about someone’s else’s child, but about setting limits, and protecting for your own. It’s important that your husband is involved.</p>

<p>Good luck, and stay strong!</p>

<p>I am not surprised, Laf. I think you had a gut feeling about this guy.</p>

<p>Your D may be initially alarmed by the snooping, but I think she was sending all kinds of “Rescue me!” signals.</p>

<p>Ugh. I really don’t like the sound of this bf. Good luck packing him off!</p>

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That’s a teen’s job! A parent’s job is to protect her child at any cost, which is what you are doing. Good job!! Your D will get over it, believe me.</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>We’ve always told our daughter that if we felt her health or safety was at risk, then we had a right to snoop/spy – and certainly when she was under 18, lived at home and we paid for her Internet connection. It sounds like one of those is being threatened, so I think you were justified. I’ve heard too many stories of parents who never entered their kids’ rooms because they wanted them to have privacy – and something bad happened. When she calms down, you may want to have a conversation with her about these boundaries, and under what circumstances you feel it is justified for you to snoop. That’s my opinion anyway, although I’m sure others will disagree with me.</p>

<p>Good luck with the BF’s parents, and your daughter. Be prepared for the BF’s parent to react differently than you would, and consider your options if that happens.</p>