Stuck in awful marriage

<p>Thank you all, again, for your posts. Every one of them is helpful. My level of anxiety about the effects of all this on the kids is rising. </p>

<p>There have been questions about DH’s first marriage. It was a very short relationship that did produce one child. It ended decades ago, and no one who knows both parties can imagine how they ever got together. They are completely incompatible. The child was living with DH when we met and always lived with us after we were married, except for some vacations with the ex-wife, who lived very far away. I have a good relationship with the ex-wife. We were in touch regularly when the child was a minor. She and DH hated each other, but she was good to me. She once sent me a mother’s day card, and she used to tell me the good things that the child said about me. To her great credit, she always encouraged the child to have a close relationship with me, and was never less than positive about me.</p>

<p>I have come a long way since yesterday, thanks to all of you. I have a plan and I am ready to implement it as quickly as I can. Therapy/book/hotline to learn about my situation and find ways to shield myself from the corrosive effects of constant criticism and negativity, which I did not realize was abusive until I learned it here; a consultation with an attorney, to clarify my legal situation; figure out how the kids are feeling about our family; document DH’s schedule and treatment of me and the kids; start taking some practical steps suggested in a PM. </p>

<p>Because my kids are teenagers, running with them to another state is not a possibility, even if it were legally advisable. My lack of job security is also a factor. </p>

<p>Thinking over this long marriage, I can see that I made a bad choice because I married before I’d dealt with the effects of having grown up with alcoholic parents. (I am not an alcoholic or a drug user, and neither is DH. Both of us drink only the occasional glass of wine or beer, and even that is less frequent as we get older.) Fairly early in my marriage, I went to Al-Anon for a year and did some therapy. This helped me tremendously, but I had already made a choice I would not have made had I been healthier psychologically. Although I considered leaving my husband at a number of points, and even was on the brink of leaving a couple of times, I never did it. For one thing, there was a child involved from the start. Although this was not my biological child, I don’t view this child any differently than the ones that came out of my body.<br>
For many years, there were good parts of the marriage and bad parts. Everyday life was pretty good. It was only when major decisions had to be made that it was clear that things had to always go DH’s way, my feelings never counted. A couple of times I got my way by almost leaving. Somehow DH could sense that I was ready to go, and he would turn on the charm and treat me very well, and I would win that one. Things became really awful as he got older and, especially, as he became more and more affected by his health condition. (And things got worse after I stopped “marital relations” months and months ago, and then moved into the guest room.) It took me a long time to be able to feel justified leaving a man who is suffering. I now realize that I can’t help him because he won’t let me, and he treats me so badly that I feel no obligation to him. </p>

<p>I’m hoping to be able to make a decision in the next few months about whether to stay until the younger child is ready for college or leave earlier. A lot depends on whether I’m able to change the atmosphere in the home by changing my behavior, and standing up to him. We’ll see. </p>

<p>There are some great suggestions here about how to respond to his ridiculous criticisms. I’m wondering if anyone has any suggestions for dealing with his latest behavior. He is a fanatic about neatness and order. I’ve asked him many times not to touch my stuff, but he still goes into my things and re-arranges them. He will take a stack of papers from my desk – things that I am currently dealing with – and put everything away in different places, or put them in files. I have no idea where to find things and it drives me crazy. He always wants to get rid of things and sometimes throws away things that are important to me. I rented a storage unit over a year ago, and I keep things safe there. I keep papers I am using in bins in my car. He even went into my drawers and rearranged my clothes. He started putting something I kept on the kitchen counter (something that was functional as well as decorative) into a cupboard every day, so that the counter was completely empty. I was irritated because in the cupboard this thing was in the way of items I need to access frequently. I took it back out a few times, but stopped because it seemed so childish. A few days ago, he suddenly decided that the cutting boards should be kept in a different place. I went to get one one day and they were all gone, I had to look around until I found them jammed into a place without enough room for them. The other day, he took my hanging clothes out of the closet we share and put them in a storage closet. The kitchen rearranging drives me crazy. I am the only one who cooks, and I do a lot of it. Often I am in a hurry, and I am used to grabbing things from the place that they belong. My kitchen is quite well-organized to work for me. He is now making arbitrary changes, just as a power/control thing, I guess. Any suggestions? I’ve thought of doing similar things to his possessions, but I am afraid that this will just escalate things. I feel invaded when I walk into a room, or open a drawer, and see that he has been into my things.</p>

<p>This thread reminds me of the terrible joke I heard years ago:</p>

<p>An old couple comes to a lawyer. “We’ve been married 75 years and we want a divorce.” “Why now?” the lawyer asks. “We’ve been waiting for the children to die.”</p>

<p>The only good time to get a divorce is before there are children. Even then, it affects the next marriage in interesting ways that affect the children. (Both my husband and I were married and divorced before we met. No children from the first marriages.) </p>

<p>I think a marriage where one partner is desperately searching for a way out is not a marriage.</p>

<p>Leaving an abusive relationship is often dangerous. Of course I’m not saying that an abused partner should never leave - but I do hope the OP has thought about this aspect of her marriage, as I hope that any partner leaving an abusive relationship considers it, and plans accordingly. I agree with those who’ve posted that the fact that the OP’s husband is not physically abusive is a positive aspect of the story. But some of his behavior seems so extreme and controlling that the possibility of a violent response to her leaving has occurred to me. Of course I very much hope that I’m wrong!</p>

<p>Maybe some of the folks on the thread with experience in counseling could give advice on how to minimize the possibility of physical violence once the abused partner leaves? I am thinking of one of my d’s friends, who was murdered by her controlling boyfriend when she tried to break up with him. He had never hurt her physically, nor even threatened her, but he couldn’t allow her to leave. I don’t mean to be an alarmist, but because the OP’s husband’s behavior is so far from the norm, I hope she’s thought about this.</p>

<p>The idea of physical violence has entered my mind. I can hardly believe that I am typing this. The concept of violence is foreign to me, and I believe that it is to my husband, too. But he has been angry and out of control.</p>

<p>I will be very careful.</p>

<p>*The idea of physical violence has entered my mind. I can hardly believe that I am typing this. The concept of violence is foreign to me, and I believe that it is to my husband, too. But he has been angry and out of control.</p>

<p>I will be very careful. *</p>

<p>Yes, please be careful. It’s true that sometimes men who’ve never resorted to violence will resort to that when their women try to leave them. </p>

<p>When you do leave, don’t give him a heads up. Don’t give him time or opportunity to stop you. </p>

<p>Are there any weapons in the home?</p>

<p>OP,
What you described in post #121 made me think of obsessive-complusive disorder. (Not that I can help you with that).</p>

<p>sadmom, if you can’t move the kids (which I completely understand) and you can’t support yourself in the current area, it would seem to me that the only real options right now are to try to stabilize your employment and financial situations before making any sort of decisions. I would think that leaving your husband and having to leave the kids behind for financial reasons would be intolerable based on your prior posts. I’ll be rooting for you and wishing you the best of everything.</p>

<p>Sadmomof3- I have a friend who just went through this. Her marriage was 30 yrs long and she knew after the first year it was a mistake. She waited till her youngest went to college. Her D’s love their Dad but are so happy that their Mom finally had the courage to walk away.Her 21 yr old told her “Mom you deserve to be happy”. I haven’t used it but my friend found the book by Melony Beattie to be helpful. The Language of Letting Go. My friend used the version that has space for daily writing and reflection.
You might also consider going back to Al Anon. The Serenity prayer works for all kinds of issues.</p>

<p>If you are concerned about physical violence, here are a few basic tips. Know all the exits in your home. Never move into a room that has only one exit when things are heated. Move to a room with more than one exit; a room near an exit from the house is best. Know where your keys and cell phone are at all times and keep them accessible (and keep your phone well-charged). It may be wise to buy one of those magnetic key holders for your car key and hide it somewhere safe where you can get it if you need to leave the house without your keys. Know where the closest police station and women’s shelter are.</p>

<p>The only red flag for me is his deteriorating health. Is his anger and cruelty increasing or has he always been mean? It could be he is truly in pain or feeling too weak to do his job and support everyone. Physical ill health takes a toll on people, especially if it’s chronic. </p>

<p>Also, the weak economy is fraying everyone’s nerves. I’m just playing devil’s advocate because so much of the advice here has been to leave but (1) he could be feeling physically awfully which is driving his terrible moods, and (2) he could be very stressed by work and worried about supporting the family in the uncertain economy.</p>

<p>Everyone is human. Everyone behaves badly if they are stressed too much.</p>

<p>Just saying.</p>

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<p>This is just not true. The behavior that the OP is describing is not something that “everyone” or even most people would engage in towards their spouse or child, no matter the stress level.</p>

<p>sadmomof3, Remember that it really is one step at a time. You don’t have to figure it all out right now. Take slow, steady steps and take care of yourself in the here and now.</p>

<p>I am saying that the combination of ill health and perhaps pain (we don’t know specifics of his health condition) on top of being sole breadwinner in a difficult economy could stressing this person very intensively. Is his ill health chronic? Terminal? </p>

<p>There is a lot here that we really don’t know.</p>

<p>There is literature about adult children of divorce that shows it is no easier for them and may be harder.</p>

<p>Not only do I find this hard to believe, most would agree that things that happen during one’s childhood leave a lasting imprint that can affect a person forever. Adults are less impressionable. Sure it’s sad when parents divorce when you’re an adult, but it’s not happening right in your own home. To suggest that they’re the same is like suggesting that losing a parent to death during adulthood is the same as losing a parent during childhood.</p>

<p>No weapons in the house, thankfully. </p>

<p>Yes, zm, exactly. I could never risk losing the kids.</p>

<p>Chronic pain is definitely a factor driving the increased anger and rage. DH is not the sole breadwinner. I make a good salary, just not as much as he does. The bad economy does not affect his position. He has very high-level skills and knowledge that are in short supply and great demand. The economy has affected us in that our retirement and other savings took a hit, and we are not young. DH is actually past retirement age, but won’t even talk about retiring. If he did, we could move to where my employment situation would be better, and it would be better financially for us in the long run. I believe that he is only happy at work, and he can’t imagine not working. Remember, this is a man who worked 7 days a week, long days, until his health problems forced him to stop going in on the weekends (and he still works many hours at home on weekends).</p>

<p>His condition is not at all life-threatening. There are many things that might help, but he refuses to try any of them.</p>

<p>“But I am still reluctant to subject my children to the pain, disruption, and lessened security that a divorce would bring.”</p>

<p>True. But, do not assume your children are not aware of the current difficult situation. They are aware of the “cloud”. If your H will not go to counseling, I’m sure it will help you going on your own. Best wishes to you.</p>

<p>So sorry for your situation, sadmom. Knowing your options will be empowering, even if you decide to stay. Please, let your kids (esp. the hs one) that you are not okay with their treatment. Pretending everything is normal when it is anything but is terrible for kids.</p>

<p>Thanks, everyone. Any opinions on whether I should tell my (step)daughter? We are close, but I have never breathed a word of any of this to her. She is well into adulthood, has been married for 13 years, and has children of her own. Our relationship has evolved to the point that we relate almost as peers, rather than as parent-child (our age difference is small enough that it would have been barely possible for me to be her biological parent). I trust her advice on my kids, my work situation, etc., and she asks me for advice on the same kinds of things. I am somehow very reluctant to let her know what her father has become. But now I am contemplating talking to my much younger children about what is going on, not exactly confiding in them, but at least letting them know that I don’t find the behavior acceptable. She does not live close enough to be here all that much. I see her and her family regularly where she lives.</p>

<p>I have to agree with others that divorce is not an easy thing and expecting that lives will be the same after divorce in terms of finances and such is pretty unrealistic for most people. There are a lot of implications to staying in the marriage that obviously has many issues and an equal number if you leave. I don’t agree that it is always better to stay in a relationship for the sake of the kids, kids pick up the tension in the environment they are in and it can be damaging for them to see a relationship where the parents battle and especially where one demeans the other. And yes, getting divorced can cause harm, especially where there is strife after the marriage, and one of the problems is people getting divorced turn it into a war and the kids get in the middle, and often neither side thinks about how to make it easier on the kids…and that does lead to damage. </p>

<p>From the limited description we have, it sounds to me like the H was never particularly a father and husband, workaholics like that often do so to avoid having to be part of the family and so forth. I am speaking as a father and husband who is the sole breadwinner and I work a job that takes a lot of hours, I am typing this while taking a break after working at home after a 10 hour day…but I also spend my remaining time being a father and husband. I have no doubt the pain the man is in and probably feeling the stress of having kids dependent on him at an advanced age weighs on him. </p>

<p>And while I sympathize a great deal with his situation, I can more then empathize, the fact that he doesn’t seem to want to do anything to help himself is problematic, because as he suffers in silence and goes on without help, he is likely to get even worse. I know what pressure does, and I am a lot younger then the man in question, and I also know that at times I sometimes get OCD’ish when the pressure builds…so the symptoms are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately, if he doesn’t want to do anything about it and continues to hide from it, there isn’t much the OP can do.</p>

<p>I totally recommend getting help. One of the problems at this point for the OP, based on my own experience with a different issue, is that when you are feeling down, beaten down with things, it is really hard to make decisions because everything seems like too tough to handle. The reason for getting counseling is to sort through the issues and gain confidence and set up some sort of life plan once you start figuring out what to do. Whether it is a strategy to handle staying in the marriage until the kids are out of the house and through college, or realizing it may be possible to get a divorce and be okay, the point of therapy is for the person to be able to empower themselves to make their decisions and also more importantly, no matter what the decision is, to stay or go, give the person the tools to protect themselves and their children. Could be a therapist gets the OP’s legs under her where she starts setting the tone, tells the hubby he better shape himself up, stop treating her like a doormat and things change, or shows her a path where divorce could work, the key thing is getting the tools to handle whatever comes. As my therapist told me, her job was to help me make decisions and then once I made them, to give me the ability to make it work the best it could for me, and also help me constantly evaluate what was going on. </p>

<p>As far as the pain a divorce causes kids, having grown up in a house where the marriage wasn’t exactly Ozzie and Harriet (one of the weirdest love/hate relationships you would ever not want to see…),and in many ways wishing they had divorced, the OP is going to need to figure out which seems to be the worse. Another reason for getting counseling is to talk to someone about alternatives and also about given the circumstances, advice on how to make it as easy on the kids as possible. Kids are resilient, as a poster on here said, but it can be less damaging to get a divorce and face that then to stay in a horrible marriage in terms of which is better for the kids. I also would be careful about anyone sharing their stories as children of divorce, whether positive or negative, because each story is different, every family is different, and because some posters felt their lives were destroyed by divorce (or others felt they were saved by it), in the end every story is different. </p>

<p>I have to be honest, I don’t like the old saw about ‘staying in the marriage for the sake of the kids’, that was often the staple of pastoral counseling from clergy, as a knee jerk reaction, it automatically assumes that living as a married couple with kids is better then the alternative and that isn’t always true. I think someone has to think long and hard about what divorce means, I think the OP is right to question what the consequences are (far too many people don’t) and think about what the best is for all concerned, but I also think that if the relationship is driving the OP off the deep end, if it is driving her to despair no matter what she tries, then it may come down to getting divorced. </p>

<p>I wish you well and I think you are already taking the right steps if you get counseling so you can make out your own decisions:)</p>

<p>I wouldn’t speak about any of this to the stepdaughter. It would put her into a situation where she has to keep secrets from her dad. That is awkward at best, and dangerous at worst. Blood is thicker than water, and she is likely to speak to him about this, even if it might be with the intention of helping. Your H sounds far too dangerous, maybe even mentally ill or unstable to take any chances. Please don’t mention it at all.</p>

<p>Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for your husband’s physical ailments. Probably he created them himself by not exercising, not balancing his life with appropriate attention to work, love, relationships, spirituality, physical fitness, etc. It’s his own fault.</p>

<p>It’s great to hear that you are getting clarity with a plan. Best wishes, good luck, and watch your back. You deserve a better life. If it were me, I’d be seriously thinking about setting aside as much $ as possible and going to another state w/ the kids. I don’t see what their being teenagers has anything to do with it. They’ll be fine with you, and if when they get older they want to spend more time with him, they can choose to do so. And I’ll bet they’d be back with you pretty quickly. It will be interesting for you to hear the feedback from your children when you talk with them. I imagine your counselor/therapist can help you with how to approach it with them. For everyone’s safety, don’t let on that you may leave. Again, best of luck.</p>

<p>Re: The stepD…</p>

<p>Are you saying that while she was living with you, your H didn’t behave this way? If not, that’s odd because what you’re describing isn’t behavior that “just starts happening.” </p>

<p>And, hasn’t your StepD witnessed any odd behaviors when she’s visited your home during the last 13 years? </p>

<p>Do you really think your StepD isn’t aware? If so, I wouldn’t tell her. She may say something to her dad that would tip him off to your plans. BAD!!!</p>

<p>Instead…I might have her over during the holidays so that she can just see how he behaves without you saying a word.</p>