<p>How did GZ ‘threaten’ TM? I haven’t heard any testimony or even a rumor to that effect.</p>
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<p>sschickens, many people would feel threatened if someone was following them for no apparent reason. Clearly TM was concerned about it and said so to his friend Rachel.</p>
<p>I have a question about Rachel’s Testimony. Did she say TM was going to approach GZ and ask why he was following him? Or did I imangine that. Or is that something GZ said in the videos? I can’t remember what she said or if she said anything what he planned to do about GZ. Did he say he was going to run? I can’t remember that testimony.</p>
<p>"How did GZ ‘threaten’ TM? I haven’t heard any testimony or even a rumor to that effect. "</p>
<p>Uh, by following him on a dark road at night? I’ve certainly felt threatened when an unknown male starts walking behind me, taking every turn I do, even in broad daylight. I keep my hand on my cell phone in case I need to call 911 when I walk alone.</p>
<p>I do not find it surprising at all, though, that GZ found Trayvon to be “suspicious” and a “suspect” just doing the same thing that most of us do-walk around our own neighborhood or one we visit often. My H, who is black, has been stopped in his OWN neighborhood for “walking while black”. When a white woman almost hit HIS car, SHE called 911 to report HIM for being “suspicious”. He’s been followed by store security, accused of stealing our daughter, had people stand on the bus rather than sit next to him, cross the street rather than have him walk alongside them, and so on.</p>
<p>So I get it-Trayvon should not feel threatened by an older, unknown male following him, but GZ, safe in a car, COULD feel threatened by Trayvon’s mere act of walking home. Believe me I understand.</p>
<p>Sally, OK, but that is not the same thing as saying that GZ threatened TM. I thought that maybe I missed something there, but I don’t think I did. Thanks.</p>
<p>If we dismiss friends/relatives confirming voices on the thread, that leaves the investigating officer. The officer just testified that TM’s father said the voice screaming was not his son’s.
How will the jury interpret the voice recordings put into evidence? Do they disregard it? Do they consider the testimony of friends/family from both sides a wash? Does the testimony of the investigating officer saying that TM’s father said the screams were not of his son trump the various testimony of the friends/family? I’m curious how the jury will analyze the testimony.</p>
<p>You have two for TM, one against TM and four for GZ. Then you have the expert saying that family members would be better than existing forensic techniques. Perhaps the prosecution shouldn’t have gone down this path in the first place. At best, it gives a slight edge to the defense.</p>
<p>Tough job for the jury. I was wondering the same thing about the prosecution delving so much into this voice recognition testimony because they must have been previously informed that TM’s father said the screaming voice was not his son’s.</p>
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I heard most of this exchange and that is not how I interpreted the questioning of the officer at all. This man’s son had JUST DIED. He might have been saying “no, that can’t be him” or “it doesn’t even sound like him” (because he was in such distress). GZ essentially said the same thing when he heard the recording–“that doesn’t even sound like me.” </p>
<p>It is not a scoring match where the winner is determined based on who has more people claim the voice was the person from “their” side. If it were, the defense would OF COURSE win–if the prosecution had had seven people, they would just bring in eight or nine (since the prosecution had to go first, they could respond in kind).</p>
<p>sschickens: I think we disagree on what “to threaten” means. I have been followed before. It is scary–and threatening. It would be even more so if the person had a loaded gun.</p>
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<p>Wouldn’t both sides know the number ahead of time in discovery?</p>
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<p>Who knows? They might as well have played the screams for Rachel to ID. Called in a teacher. The stepmom. A couple of friends. The only thing I get from the scream math, at this point, is that the defendant has abandoned the defense that he thought he was going to die because he was being suffocated.</p>
<p>^Exactly. And anyway, haven’t we established that a grown man (or close-to-grown man) can “scream like a little girl”? If TM’s dad hadn’t heard his son like that before, how could he be sure? How could ANY of them be sure? IMO, they coudn’t.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the MMA guy on the stand now seems like kind of a jerk. He seems sort of caught between wanting to sell his gym as a place to get people in good fighting shape and wanting to make GZ seem like someone who had made very little progress during the time he was there.</p>
<p>This seems important to me because the defendant was adamant with police that THAT was why he grabbed the gun and shot. That was also when he alleged Trayvon said “you’re gonna die tonight”. If he was continuously screaming? That can’t be true. Lets hope the prosecution realizes this</p>
<p>Frankly I think the prosecution would have been better off if they had been able to hire Calmom.</p>
<p>They don’t seem like the brightest bulbs around but I imagine that they suffer from information overload. They have to do a lot of other things besides tactics and strategy every day.</p>
<p>Yes, Sally, I’ll agree to disagree. But how would you possibly know that the individual following you was carrying a loaded gun? I agree that would be extremely threatening, but there was no way that TM knew that, correct?</p>
<p>There is no way to say whether he did or didn’t. He is not here to tell us and GZ is unlikely to offer that bit of information.</p>
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<p>No kidding prosecutors are handling more than strategy and tactics and ESPECIALLY (it seems) in Florida!</p>
<p>The recent criminal charges in Florida against 18 yo Kaitlyn Hunt for sex with a 14 yo girl has drawn online petition, T-shirts, talking heads and nationwide attention. (Sound familiar?). </p>
<p>As here, the defendant does not deny what happened but has refused a plea deal and the case is set for trial. Seems in Florida defendants take things to trial if they can get media attention since there are a lot of trials/media events that involve more than just strategy and tactics. </p>
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