The Grandparent Thread

I thought the same! But then my parents are too old to be boomers and I’m the boomer! Drat!

Another point that I came away with and I’m expounding on it. That in the past, children helped their parents as they got older but that now it’s the parents helping the kids. Financially with down payments and with child care.

I feel sometimes that my generation is the ultimate sandwich generation. Helping our parents as they age, helping our kids with their families. And we are in the middle. I just don’t want to lose sight of what I want to do and what I want to be. I don’t want to use up all of my go-go years and have regrets.

And I may be wrong but sometimes I feel that there’s always this unattainable goal to be more. Do more.

And if you are happy with what you are doing, I’m happy for you. I just found a lot of food for thought today.

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My parents lived 25 minutes away and were working when I had kids. My dad retired first, and he helped me from time to time. My mom then had cancer, followed by heart issues & eventually valve repair - all while continuing to work. So I didn’t ask for much in the way of physical help (I called a lot for advice). They moved to Florida when my kids were still in elementary school.

My in laws lived 12+ hours away. They spent time at the family cottage 3.5 hours away in the summer … but they watched SIL’s son (D’s age) all summer (and on school breaks). No help from them for our kids. Sometimes when I feel bad that SIL is local sibling handling her aging mom, I remember that her mom watched my nephew all the time, and I feel a little less bad.

I live 25 minutes from D and have been retired since before GD was born. I volunteered to go to D’s house for a few hours every weekday during her three month maternity leave. It allowed D to shower, nap, get groceries or whatever she needed to do to stay sane. After she returned to work, I watched GD every other day; the other grandma alternated with me. We did that until GD got off the waitlist for the daycare they wanted (GD was born during Covid, and waitlists were long). She started daycare three days a week when she was 21 months. The other grandma and I each watch GD one day a week now & will continue to do so until she starts kindergarten in fall ‘26. She will have to leave the daycare in summer prior to kindergarten, so I’ll probably help out a bit more around day camps.

I also watch GD and the dog at D’s for the occasional weekend when S/SIL have something going on, and she stays overnight one or two Saturdays a month.

I truly enjoy it, and I have never felt put upon. D and SIL really appreciate it. There has never been an expectation … and they check every so often to make sure we’re still okay with the situation.

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I typed in the article title on google and there are various places to have it available. It might become with time more readily available w/o a pay wall. I could see a bit of the article.

I imagine more articles of this type will get published.

My dad worked hard to pay off a business that my parents inherited 1/3 of it - so growing up in a small town, my older two siblings and I had a little different growing up that our younger two siblings. All 5 of us were born by the time dad was 30 and mom was 27. The business went to my parents when dad was 34 - he was sort of a ‘junior’ in the company and knew a lot, but the responsibility/learning curve was thrust on my dad at that time, and with young kids that he had limited time with us. My mom was SAHM but had strict ideals of her role of homemaking - she kept the house clean to a high standard, excellent meals; childcare in her mind was infant to school age, and then it was ‘be seen and not heard’ (my mom later in life was diagnosed as bi-polar and was cycling depression in her late 50’s; she also had narcissistic tendencies but had two things that kept that in line, she wanted to be a ‘good mother’ and she had a strong Catholic faith). I understood better growing up to ‘stay under the radar’ than my siblings and didn’t have the drama – mom was almost on a manic high (but not over the top). Dad finally felt like he ‘made it’ by the time I was a sophomore in college. They took a lot of trips internationally and visited Switzerland more often (probably every other year or so - their homeland, so relatives and friends there). Mom had a strong desire to be a grandma at age 50 - my older sister did make her a grandmother about that time but on sister/her husband’s timeline not my mother’s. I had the best relationship with mom in later years because I had the least ‘baggage’ from growing up. I also double majored in Psychology in college to ‘figure things out’.

DH and I were married for 15 years (moved for DH’s career and I obtained two graduate business degrees while establishing career in new cities); when we had DD1, and our daughters were born the years we turned 38 and 40 - we had built our home two years prior and were ‘established’. We live 750 - 850 miles from our hometowns where the parents live (our hometowns are 100 miles apart), so we would travel over Christmas and maybe summer to hometown when the children were growing up. Idyllic for the children and for us, as we could experience WI winter in a short window (and got really good snow for the kids to enjoy - which sometimes doesn’t happen in that window of time) and also glorious WI summer. When DDs were 3 and 5, DH’s job required a lot of ongoing travel, and I gave up my career and became a SAHM and remained out of the workforce for 18 years. During that period of time, I survived aggressive cancer (when the kids were in 8th and 10th grades). I had a ‘sunset career’ for almost 5 years (until retirement at age 65, using my nursing license in skilled care and rehab). Nursing in our area is not well paid, but I worked PRN so I could schedule a lot when available and take off when I wanted (they always had needs) - and in the end I was able to limit the work to admission nursing assessments for rehab entry (working regular unit shifts, they kept piling on work and pressured people to clock out and not work over from the shift). For example, no treatment nurse so you had to do those treatments, admissions in rehab and needed to do rehab admission. For the first few years, they paid overtime after 8 hours, even if not working a 40 hour workweek, but that did change later. Grandchildren were born in 2018 and 2019, and the older two grandchildren were 100 miles away, and Covid shut down their daycare for 6 weeks. Covid held off surgeries and rehab admissions, so as PRN I only had to work 1 day in 29 calendar days - just scheduled enough to keep the job while being needed with the grandkids. Over the 6 weeks, I would travel Sunday afternoon and be live-in nanny until DD arrived home after work on Friday. Coordinating with DD1 was easy. They were very grateful because neither could take the time off of work (DD1 had critical work as a RN, all hands-on deck) while SIL was in a work from home job, but he needed to 100% concentrate and could not be watching in any meaningful way and almost 3 YO and almost 2 YR.

DH’s parents raised four sons in a small town - and they had two local grandchildren (the first grandchild was a girl and was like a daughter to the grandmother). After my mother was widowed, she wanted me to travel to Switzerland with her (she had a class reunion), and our two kids were in FT Montessori – DH’s parents were retired, so they traveled to our home and had fun with DH and the kids. His mom could take over our kitchen and coordinate with DH (he could pick up the grocery items and also cook with his mom, he dropped off and picked up the kids from Montessori). I was able to arrange to be gone for two weeks from work (my mom stayed in Switzerland for a month). It was a win-win.

It depends on how old parents were when they had their kids and how old their kids are when they have the grandchildren. Also, longevity of the older generation and how independent they can be (go-go and slow-go years).

DH is 67 and his 97 YO uncle just passed away (his dad’s older brother), while both his parents died at 92. Lots of longevity on his dad’s side, and mom’s siblings mostly died in their 90’s (pretty good longevity there too). My dad died of cancer 2 days before he turned 64, while my mother died at age 77. DD1 was one when my dad died; both DDs knew their paternal grandparents pretty well (they were young adults when they died - 27 and 25) and knew their maternal grandmother “Grossmutti” - she died when DDs were 16 and 14.

Paternal grandmother was very welcoming of her nurse granddaughter accompanying her to treatment appointment (and on a visit, DD1 actually had some suggestions for the dressings on grandmother’s legs due to her work experiences - for the treatment nurse and for the uncle/home care dressing changes/needs).

Some on the younger generation had a lot of family travel and opportunities - and perhaps the parents as empty-nesters want to continue to travel and do a lot of things regularly in their go-go years, either before or after retirement.

I agree that the parents are responsible for their kids. If there are grandparents that can be a safety net, can arrange to help out some on a regular or as need basis, that can be a win-win. However it has to be something both the parents and the grandparents want.

With our time with SIL/DD1 in their city, we discussed once SIL has his permanent position in this city, that we could move to this city if they want us to. They want us to.

We will be seeing DD2 in her city for Easter. Will talk with her about the plan.

We have no family ties in the community we have lived in since 1983. We love our home (which we built in 1992) and we love the activities we do here. We love the climate. But having regular time with DD1/SIL/Gkids is more important to us. We are young enough to make this big transition. We are doing downsizing and organizing now (which was needed, I have let things slide for a long time).

We have some other relatives (and friends) in the new state. They will be thrilled that we move and can see them more often.

My husband’s college roommate retired from his job and wanted to travel and do things with his wife. His wife wanted to watch their grandchildren full time.

It was a huge disagreement in their marriage. He felt let down. She didn’t seem to want to alter the situation. It was what she wanted.

Once the older grandkids went to school, there was another grandchild on the way. The wife was excited to watch that baby. Her husband less so. He was downright resentful. Loved his grandchildren but wanted to be free to pursue his own interests.

I think about this a lot sometimes.

The article talks about a couple who moved to where their daughter lives and watches the grandchildren. Their other daughter recently had a baby and asked if they would move to her if she needed help. The grandmother seemed worn out.

We were the family out of town. My mil is very opinionated and I’m ok that we were out of the loop and out of the over involvement that I saw with my husband’s sibling.

The grandchildren are grown. My mil talks about the close relationship she had with those kids. Am I sad my kids don’t have that? Maybe? Those grandchildren aren’t any closer to my mil. I have heard that the grandchildren are uncomfortable with the “advice” that grandma is always giving.

There are a few slightly different generation categories, but Gen Z, Gen X, Boomers, Millennials. There was an Empower survey recently, and they asked at what salary would make you ‘happy’ I think they concluded a salary 40% more than you have; to not be unhappy is to not have to think about money. IDK anyone that really doesn’t ‘think’ about money, but maybe it is being able to plan a trip or make a purchase and not have to think if they can ‘afford it’ in their budget.

DD1/SIL do not own a home, and I have suggested that they may limit some of their travel expenditures until they are in their own home (they do need to wait with SIL’s permanent job, but DH and I made sacrifices for quite a while with home ownership early). DD2 and her BF still have car payments, but DD2 has matching at work and is putting money into Roth IRA.

In some ways, maybe in part with digital media and exposure to many things, the younger generations are getting influenced.

Gkids have very limited screen time. 6 YO GD1 has asked for a phone, and has been explained why it is a ‘no’. She has a play watch that has some limited game on it and a play cell phone. Her 7 YO cousin (generation removed - our niece’s DD, and the niece is DD1’s first cousin) has a phone but is not attached to it like her older sister (who is in 6th grade). The older sister would do a Tic-Toc post with a gymnastic move a few years ago, and I was a bit shocked.

My mom retired just before my first was born. She would get up every weekday morning and drive to my house just as she did when she went to work. She would let herself in at 6:30 am and come in and take my daughter and would let us sleep. That happened for 7 months u til we moved 2 hours away. She still would come visit and also take the kids overnight. My in-laws were traveling during those years and while they did take them sometimes overnight didn’t help on a regular basis.
I have three local grandchildren. The first I watched one full day a week for the first 18 months until he was able to go to preschool. I now watch the younger sibling but I do a shorter day. I watched the third one day a week till I had knee replacement and they switched to a full time nanny. I’m on call when the nanny is out. I love it but I also want to keep up with my gym classes and volunteer work. We haven’t had them for an extended overnight trip yet.

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My older sis & younger bro are the only ones with grandkids now. Older sis has 6 and younger bro has 1. Older sis turned into 1/2 time daycare and transportatation for all 6 grandkids. She had to tell her youngest they needed someone to help as they couldn’t watch all 5 days of the week (their other kids have the other set of grandparents in town who are glad to share duties). That D hired a nanny who helps and fills in when older sis and her H travel or are unavailable.

It’s great for the cousins as they can gather at their grandparents home and build bonds and memories.

My younger brother is his granddaughter’s 2nd favorite person (after her mom). He has lots of energy and spends a lot of time with her. They are busy traveling a lot so she’s thriving in daycare. He and my SisIL go over regularly to spend time with GD and help so the two chocolate labs and GD have evening walks. My nephew-in-law is a bit bemused to be the 4th favorite person of his D—for now.

My niece is in the middle of her 3 year residency and has awful hours.

My folks told all of us they raised the 7 of us and it was our turn to raise our own kids. That said, they did help watch my kids once for 5 weeks when we went to Europe. They also allowed my older sister to have her kids walk down the street from elementary school to my folk’s house & my older sister would eventually come by & pick them up.

H’s parents did watch our kids a few times but were pretty old and not so spry by the time the kids were born. They LOVED being around the kids. My MIL died when S was 3 and D was 1, so not sure either kid has any memories of her. FIL moved to SF after MIL died, to live with SisIL.

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We had no family nearby for support, either. We were renting and had no space for a live-in, and not enough $$ to pay for one because we were still paying student loans and saving for a down payment. I was a SAHM for almost three years. We moved to the DC area when I was 8 mo pregnant with #1 so I wasn’t returning to my previous job, and then got pregnant with #2 very quickly after #1 was born. Was interviewing to go back to work when I found out I was 13 weeks along with S2, which kinda put the kibosh on working for a while longer.

I went back FT when S2 was 19 mo old – S1 went to a Jewish preschool and S2 went to a family day care right around the corner from school. As he got older, he went to the preschool as well, and both went to the family day care for school holidays and when they still took naps. (School didn’t do naps, my kids did.)

DH would do the am shift since he’s chipper and functional at that hour, and he didn’t have a hard timeline to get into work. He loved making lunches, too. Did it til HS. I went to work early and picked them up in the afternoon, minimizing the amount of time they were in day care after school. DH worked long, late hours, so this setup worked well for us.

Given that my sons are thousands of miles away, I don’t expect we’ll be able to be involved with kid logistics on a regular basis. That also assumes there are grandchildren.

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When I volunteered to watch GD, my H kind of grumbled along those lines. However, it has never been an issue - D’s MIL is usually okay to switch it to take my day. The four whole times he has wanted to do something on my babysitting day when I wasn’t able to work it out with the other grandma, D or SIL watched GD. It’s funny that H is the one who thought it would cramp our style, because I am the one wishing we would travel more than H is willing to travel.

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When our kids were young we had no local family. My in-laws were on the other side of the country and at their closest my dad and stepmom were 8-10 hours away. My mom passed when our oldest D was just 2.5 months old. I feel safe in saying had she not passed, we would have seen her tons.

My W was the daycare provider for our GS for the 1st year of his life and she loved it .

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We are interested in helping IF we ever get any grandkids, to the extent we are able. That said, we are not getting younger. S and DIL are in late 30s and D is in mid 30s and no gkids yet. Right now D lives 2500 miles from us and S lives 5000 miles from us. We shall see.

Our DD1 is 31 and SIL is 35. We were stunned with announcement of baby #5. They clearly will welcome us moving to their city and having our involvement with their children.

When I visit, I do help or take over the morning routine (especially if DD1 is unavailable) - sometimes SIL has taken the kids to school during his weeks of paternity leave, sometimes he has taken 2 and I have taken the other two (for example, his gym is near the younger 2’s daycare, and he then had things to do with DD1 or other errands), sometimes I have taken them all. At the end of DD1’s pregnancy, sometimes she and I would pick up some or all of the kids and also do other errands. She utilized grocery pick-up services at their big HEB (grocery in TX with HQTR in San Antonio); we both would go in for Costco, but usually with no kids or limited number of kids.

I see doing some of the things I have been doing - tutoring and reading with the kids, diaper change with GD2/putting GD2 and a little later GS2 to bed, sometimes meal preparation or helping serve out the meals. I took over kids’ laundry and kitchen clean up for evening meal (while under their roof).

It will be somewhat different when we own a home there (our only place of residence). Plan to have our home sold first and maybe see what we do for short-term living while purchasing a home there. Location will be a key determinant on the house. Better to have things in storage near our current home until we close on a home in the new city.

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@SOSConcern what does your husband want? I thought you’ve mentioned that he is involved in a hobby in the city you live in now and wanted to continue that.

My husband is happy where we are. We have a good lifestyle. He is not interested in leaving our low cost of living area and his many hobbies. I don’t see us moving.

In the same way my in laws didn’t want to move. Heck they didn’t even want to visit, they wanted us to visit them. They would not ever entertain a move. My mil still asks us to move to their city, a place my husband hasn’t lived in for more than 50 years.

My parents moved away from their children to pursue their best retirement life. I was happy for them but my sibling was pretty resentful. They wanted my parents to be around to help.

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I was on the east coast, and my mom on the west, but she did spend pretty much every vacation day she had visiting her grandkids, and sometimes I would take little trips while she was here to watch the kids. I can only remember my ex in-laws watching my kids once ever, even though they lived within 30 minutes.
I lived within 3 miles of my aunt though, and for a couple of years she watched the kid(s) every other Friday, and I worked 9 days a pay period, so I only needed daycare 4 days a week. She was also available for early pickups, sick days, etc. She had kids only 3 and 5 years older than my oldest, and became a stay at home mom before mine were born. I was SO lucky to have her.
I also had a “grandparent-like” person who helped out a fair amount as my kids got older. He wouldn’t have taken care of young kids, but once they were relatively self-sufficient he would come to my house when they were sick for example, take them to ortho appointments, get them to lessons when I couldn’t, pick them up if they needed to stay after school.

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When it comes to family/grandchildren VS his hobby - he will give up his hobby. In a few years he would be giving up more of the hobby anyway. He has two HS rocket teams he has helped be able to qualify/go to the national event (it will get announced on Wednesday, but their low scores have been qualifying scores through the history of the program). From our current location, he has gone to nationals every year in retirement - with or w/o a team(s) competing. A prior year national attending team was able to go because DH had a supply of rocket motors that they needed (and would not have been able to obtain in time) - there are limited supplies and suppliers. DH plans inventory of correct rocket motors with various high schools and then helps out other schools/teams as they can. The parents and teacher sponsors have been so grateful for DH’s help and dedication. Both teams that are going this year - one his connections got the one team the ‘right’ rocket motors from another team; the other he worked with this school/teacher - and honestly, they had some ‘beginner’s luck’ going and one ‘on fire’ student who knows what he is doing. DH is actually teaching a short course at a HS (a summer camp kind of thing for grades 7 - 12) on beginner rocketry - sort of an introduction to all one can learn with doing this rocketry competition. A NASA PhD is DH’s close compadre and as enthusiastic as DH. The 3 of us went to breakfast on Saturday. When the time comes, DH will be missed in this school and club activity (active adult rocketry club). We would be moving to a very hot and often dry area in TX that would limit some of this rocketry activity due to fire prevention.

DH has the older two grandkids excited about rocketry - before they moved OOS DH had both of them at the rocketry shoot. Another person got this picture (June 2023).

DH loves our DD1’s family and can adapt to the new city just like I can. We can afford to make the house move - and I can see we will spend a lot more on a house to probably not get as nice a house as we now have. If we were a lot older, a move would be more of a challenge. We will give up a nicer climate and live where summers are brutally hot. We will be with a larger airport so a bit easier/cheaper flights w/o the extra leg out of our current airport. A few other airline choices.

DD1 will also help us keep with really good health care and health care decisions/options. I am BSN as well but no longer licensed and not keeping up with things like DD1 does in her career. DD1 knows a lot, researches a lot, and knows things in the community.

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We think a bit differently than DH’s and my parents. DH’s parents raised 4 sons, and my parents raised 5 kids. My parents did enjoy travel and fun in their mid-50’s up until dad’s death from cancer. All their own parents were ‘worn out’ raising the family and paternal grandmother died of heart valve disease caused by strep (before valve surgery could be successfully done). Both sets of grandparents (and great-grandparents) loved their grandchildren and loved their visits. Our house was on my parent’s route to FL, so they would stop in and see us.

We often had to drive to both sets of parents - and even after they retired, they wanted us to use our limited vacation time to use up our time with these family visits. We don’t do that to our kids - even college breaks, they wanted to go other places - great.

We had both our DD’s baptisms in my hometown which was convenient for both sets of grandparents to be there, as well as other family members.

Sibling being resentful of parents putting their retirement dreams aside for their grown children’s convenience (or cost-saving to not hire help or arrange their time around their own children’s needs) is pretty ungracious and ungrateful. I see ideas of ‘wanting what I want’ and the retirees to ‘fold’ at the wishes, which obviously didn’t happen. It is great when people want to help their kids out with the grandkids, but a desire to give help versus being expected to or almost being guilted into helping is not a win-win.

We will have our first grandchild later this year. D1 and SIL will be moving across the country next year to a lower cost of living area that is closer to SIL’s parents. H and I would love to help out D1 when we can, but don’t have any plans to leave Southern California and relocate to the Northeast. We will visit a lot and help out, but we also plan to keep traveling and doing what we want to do.

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My local MIL never watched our children. She was older and seemed nervous that she’d do something wrong. I have no doubt she loved them, just wanted to not be in charge. She did generously gift to all her grands college education. It’s sad that she kept the grandchildren at arm’s length because none of them were close to her.

My parents lived on the opposite coast. H & I would drop them off for a week in the summer and take a kid-free vacation. Both kids said they felt closer to the grandparents who lived farther away.

Now that we have a GD, we encourage her parents to leave her with us and take time for themselves. She’s a preschooler. The dynamics change when Mom & Dad are around. Not bad, just harder to give the parents a break because she’ll go to them first.

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