The Official Pakistani Thread for the Class of 2014

Panda7 · March 31, 2010, 7:04am

Despite all our problems, I think, we can work for the betterment of our educational system. Agreed, that we face many problems and most of which are inter-linked which makes it harder to solve every problem. But look at the other side, each problem we solve would provide solutions to the other problems linked with it. For example, a better educated population will mean a larger skilled work force, normal population growth, and so on.

Having said that I think we need to pay the utmost attention to the primary education which is the basis of our education system and is the most neglected part. There should be an increase in government spending in this area and encourage the multinationals to invest in it too. A proper plan needs to be formulated at the government level and it should be ensured that it is implemented in each and every part of the country.

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 7:14am

I dream of a day when people will start discussing on CC about the admission decisions of Pakistan’s Universities…:)

The_Juggernaut_1 · March 31, 2010, 7:17am

I don’t think there is anybody out there that would disagree that there needs to be a massive influx of government spending on education and primary education in particular. But, effective government spending is not possible without a flawless system that has checks and balances. Unfortunately, such a system will never be in place as long as there is a leadership that is not fully and completely focused on the betterment of its country and its people. So, as I mentioned earlier, the leadership issue is one that certainly needs to be addressed if the other issues we are dealing with need to be solved.

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 7:17am

Why as a nation are we in SEARCH of a leader???I mean why we always think that someone from somewhere will come who will have solutions to all our problems…And apart from the education system…we need to evolve a system which is different from today’s…

Currently we are making people “Parha likha jahil…”

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 7:23am

I do understand that there are issues while making syllabus of Islamiyat and Pakistan Studies…(Don’t we luv to make our children read wrong history…???)…What I don’t understand is what is the problem when making syllabus for Sciences??..Pick a F.S.C science book,it is not a book rather an encyclopedia where u ll find everything without any connection with each other…

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 7:29am

@Inert101

i don’t want to keep any thing which reminds me of the.So deleted all the e-mail relating to college application!!!

The_Juggernaut_1 · March 31, 2010, 7:51am

You shouldn’t have such an attitude. I mean, sure, the college rejected you, but you gave it your all and that’s what counts. You applied to the college knowing very well that you could have been rejected. Don’t have such an attitude; negativity only leads to trouble.

Also, you should be rest assured that whatever is happening is happening for your betterment. God has something great in store for you, you just don’t know it. Never lose hope.

Dark_Angel_1 · March 31, 2010, 7:54am

^Camon dude thats an insult to an encylopedia. FSC books are made to develp a hatred , fear and confusion among students for studyin science subjects.

Pakistan has to develop a One stable educational system implemented in every part of the country.

The_Juggernaut_1 · March 31, 2010, 8:47am

US List:

<ol>
<li>Harvard - 1 (LAS [likely])</li>
<li>Stanford - 4 (1 LAS, 1 KAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>Caltech - 1 (KGS)</li>
<li>MIT - 3 (1 LAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>Columbia - 2 (1 KAS [likely], 1 LAS [likely])</li>
<li>UPenn (2 Wharton) - 4 (3 LAS, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>Brown - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Headstart)</li>
<li>Yale - 1 (St. Patrick’s)</li>
<li>UChicago - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Roots)</li>
<li>Tufts - 3 (1 LAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Texas A&M University - 3 (1 KAS, 1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>SUNY Buffalo - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Purdue - 4 (1 LAS, 3 Aitchison)</li>
<li>NYU - 13 (3 KAS, 7 Aitchison [4 likely], 3 LGS)</li>
<li>Notre Dame - 2 (Choueifat, KAS)</li>
<li>Indiana University, Bloomington - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UMich, Ann Arbor - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Bryant - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Ohio Wesleyan - 5 (3 Aitchison, 1 LGS, 1 Roots)</li>
<li>University of Tampa - 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>Rutgers - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Syracuse - 5 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison, 3 KAS)</li>
<li>University of Florida - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Creighton - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Dowling - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>UMich, Flint - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Northeastern - 11 (3 LAS, 4 Aitchison, 4 KAS)</li>
<li>Florida Institute of Technology - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UIllinois, Urbana-Champaign - 4 (2 Aitchison, 1 LAS, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Mercy College 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>DePauw - 3 (1 LGS, 3 Roots)</li>
<li>ASU - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>UC San Diego - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UC Irvine - 3 (1 LAS, 1 KGS, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>University of Minnesota, Twin Cities - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis - 2 (1 KAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Rhode Island - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>American University - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Simmons College - 2 (1 KAS, 1 LAS)</li>
<li>UMass Amherst - 2 (1 KAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Regis College - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Cal State: Long Beach - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Valparaiso 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>University of Maryland, College Park 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Washington College 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Illinois Tech - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Penn State - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Babson - 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>Bentley - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Hobart and William Smith Colleges - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>Colgate - 3 (2 Roots 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Drexel - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>USC - 2 (Aitchison, KAS)</li>
<li>UCLA - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Oberlin - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>University of Miami - 4 (1 LAS, 3 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Wisconsin Madison - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Franklin and Marshall - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>Bryn Mawr 2 (TCS)</li>
<li>UC Santa Barbara - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Claremont-McKenna - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>James Madison - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Suffolk - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Mount Holyoke - 2 (1 Roots, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Northwestern - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>GWU - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Cornell - 1 (LAS [likely])</li>
<li>Villanova - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>Connecticut College - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>Boston University - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Boston College - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Richmond - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Emory - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Vassar - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Rice - 2 (KAS)</li>
<li>Duke - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Georgetown - 1 (KAS)
79. Drew - 1 (LAS)</li>
</ol>

UK List:

<ol>
<li>Oxford - 3 (2 Roots, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>Cambridge - 5 (2 KGS, 2 LGS, 1 Engro Chemical School Ghotki)</li>
<li>Imperial College, London - 14 (6 LGS, 8 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Sheffield - 3 (2 Aitchison, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>University College London - 10 (7 Aitchison, 2 LGS, 1 PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Edinburgh - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>CASS - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Exeter - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Warwick - 4 (3 Aitchison, 1 TCS)</li>
<li>Cardiff - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Nottingham - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Regents - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>St. Andrews - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Kent - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>London School of Economics - 7 (5 LGS, 1 Resource, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Southampton - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>London College of Fashion - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Loughborough 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>University of Manchester - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Birmingham - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Liverpool - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Birmingham - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
</ol>

Canadian List:

<ol>
<li>University of Toronto - 7 (1 LAS, 2 LGS, 4 Aitchison)</li>
<li>University of Waterloo - 16 (7 Aitchison, 3 LAS, 5 LGS, 1 BSS)</li>
<li>Carleton - 7 (4 LAS, 3 LGS)</li>
<li>McGill - 37 (1 TCS, 16 LGS, 19 Aitchison, 1 Headstart)</li>
<li>University of British Columbia - 6 (2 LGS, 4 LAS)</li>
<li>York University - 5 (2 LAS, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS, 1 PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>Concordia University - 2 (1 LAS, 1 PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>University of New Brunswick - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>University of Manitoba - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>McMaster University - 3 (1 PIS Khobar, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>University of Western Ontario 9 (2 LAS, 7 LGS)</li>
<li>University of Alberta - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>Queen’s University - 4 (1 LAS, 1 ISG Dammam, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS)</li>
</ol>

Other List:

<ol>
<li>HKUST - 3 (1 LAS, 1 Roots, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Curtin Institute of Technology - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>HKU - 4 (1 LGS, 1 Roots, 1 TCS, 1 BSS)</li>
<li>NYU Abu Dhabi - 1 (LGS)</li>
</ol>

Inert101 · March 31, 2010, 8:58am

@The Juggernaut: But it never hurts to annoy the hell out of them by wasting money.

Anyway, one problem with our leadership is that by the time you do eventually get to the top you have become so polluted that the betterment of the people becomes secondary to your own monetary interests. Does anyone remember that PPP minister who said “corruption mera haq hai (corruption is my right)?” That, sadly, is what most politicians believe, and although it was mostly politicians who condemned him, most of them probably agreed with him.

Also, the ratta system is really, really bad. Although I haven’t really used local textbooks too often, when I was younger our Islamiat and Pak Studies books used to made locally. Firstly, what I learned in Pak Studies was mostly propaganda about Pakistan. “Jinnah was the greatest man alive blah blah blah”. Yes, our founding fathers WERE great people, but we seriously need to work on the objectivity of our textbooks. Secondly, in both Islamiat and Pak Studies, our teachers would write down questions on the board and then make us highlight the answers in our textbooks. For our tests, they would ask us those EXACT same questions, and if we had even one word missing (even saying ‘the’ inside of ‘a’, for example) we would lose marks. Rather than encouraging critical thinking and evaluative skills, we reduced ourselves to memorizing meaningless dates and events.

Man, if we could have ONE inspirational leader to set us on the right path, that would be a blessing. At the moment the leaders we glorify (without taking any names) are those who scream the loudest or swindle the most money. When we are old enough to vote (or for those are already, when the next elections come around) we should vote based on the actual ISSUES, and what kind of policies candidates are offering to bring rather than mindlessly falling for campaign slogans like “no more poverty, blah blah blah”.

I need a life.

talaltq · March 31, 2010, 9:14am

Pakistanis have been defaming and defacing the very leaders who stand up for them for more than 60 years. We probably got more than one Inspirational leader, but threw them all away after dishonouring them. You steal, you lie and are in Politics? Congratulations! Everyone supports you! Sometimes I think Pakistanis deserve all this. They BROUGHT these people!

As for the education, it’s HIGH TIME there was a SINGLE board throughout the country with the Same syllabus. I have absolutely no idea why the previous governments haven’t done anything about this. Make schools later, first improve the existing ones!

As for the ratta system, it’s surely prevalent in most of Pakistan, but I studied in the Federal Board system and I can say without doubt that after the reforms in the Board a few years ago, there is absolutely NO PLACE for rote learning anymore. Atleast not in Federal Board. The government should abolish all other boards and the Federal Board should take over =P

Such is the extent of lack of unity among the education systems in our country is that the HSSC/FSc/FA/I.Com of Federal Board is 550 marks each in 11th and 12th, while 525 marks each in Lahore Board!

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 9:44am

“Such is the extent of lack of unity among the education systems in our country is that the HSSC/FSc/FA/I.Com of Federal Board is 550 marks each in 11th and 12th, while 525 marks each in Lahore Board!”

@talaltq

Correction…The total marks for F.S.C are 1100 all over Pakistan…the difference in 1st year marks and 2nd year marks in boards in Punjab is due to the fact that Practicals are taken in 2nd year…

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 9:46am

@The Juggernaut

U are right…Actually I never expected anything extra ordinary to happen…and I deleted those e-mails because I am moving on…Not stuck at rejections…:)

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 9:52am

@talaltq

It is difficult for Federal government to dictate everything as Education is a provincial subject…So it is diificult to have same syllabus everywhere…Even in palce like UK where A level is primary secondary school sysytem…there are numerous boards offering different syllabuses!!!

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 9:54am

US List:

<ol>
<li>Harvard - 1 (LAS [likely])</li>
<li>Stanford - 4 (1 LAS, 1 KAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>Caltech - 1 (KGS)</li>
<li>MIT - 3 (1 LAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>Columbia - 2 (1 KAS [likely], 1 LAS [likely])</li>
<li>UPenn (2 Wharton) - 4 (3 LAS, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>Brown - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Headstart)</li>
<li>Yale - 1 (St. Patrick’s)</li>
<li>UChicago - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Roots)</li>
<li>Tufts - 3 (1 LAS, 2 Roots)</li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Texas A&M University - 3 (1 KAS, 1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>SUNY Buffalo - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Purdue - 4 (1 LAS, 3 Aitchison)</li>
<li>NYU - 13 (3 KAS, 7 Aitchison [4 likely], 3 LGS)</li>
<li>Notre Dame - 2 (Choueifat, KAS)</li>
<li>Indiana University, Bloomington - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UMich, Ann Arbor - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Bryant - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Ohio Wesleyan - 5 (3 Aitchison, 1 LGS, 1 Roots)</li>
<li>University of Tampa - 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>Rutgers - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Syracuse - 5 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison, 3 KAS)</li>
<li>University of Florida - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Creighton - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Dowling - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>UMich, Flint - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Northeastern - 11 (3 LAS, 4 Aitchison, 4 KAS)</li>
<li>Florida Institute of Technology - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UIllinois, Urbana-Champaign - 4 (2 Aitchison, 1 LAS, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Mercy College 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>DePauw - 3 (1 LGS, 3 Roots)</li>
<li>ASU - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>UC San Diego - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>UC Irvine - 3 (1 LAS, 1 KGS, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>University of Minnesota, Twin Cities - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis - 2 (1 KAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Rhode Island - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>American University - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Simmons College - 2 (1 KAS, 1 LAS)</li>
<li>UMass Amherst - 2 (1 KAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Regis College - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Cal State: Long Beach - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Valparaiso 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>University of Maryland, College Park 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Washington College 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Illinois Tech - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Penn State - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Babson - 3 (LAS)</li>
<li>Bentley - 2 (LAS)</li>
<li>Hobart and William Smith Colleges - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>Colgate - 3 (2 Roots 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Drexel - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>USC - 2 (Aitchison, KAS)</li>
<li>UCLA - 2 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Oberlin - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>University of Miami - 4 (1 LAS, 3 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Wisconsin Madison - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Franklin and Marshall - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>Bryn Mawr 2 (TCS)</li>
<li>UC Santa Barbara - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Claremont-McKenna - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>James Madison - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Suffolk - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Mount Holyoke - 2 (1 Roots, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Northwestern - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>GWU - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Cornell - 1 (LAS [likely])</li>
<li>Villanova - 1 (Roots)</li>
<li>Connecticut College - 1 (LGS)</li>
<li>Boston University - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Boston College - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Richmond - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Emory - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Vassar - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Rice - 2 (KAS)</li>
<li>Duke - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KAS)</li>
<li>Georgetown - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Drew - 1 (LAS)
80.Williams College - 1 (LGS)</li>
</ol>

UK List:

<ol>
<li>Oxford - 3 (2 Roots, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>Cambridge - 5 (2 KGS, 2 LGS, 1 Engro Chemical School Ghotki)</li>
<li>Imperial College, London - 14 (6 LGS, 8 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Sheffield - 3 (2 Aitchison, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>University College London - 10 (7 Aitchison, 2 LGS, 1 PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Edinburgh - 4 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>CASS - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Exeter - 3 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Warwick - 4 (3 Aitchison, 1 TCS)</li>
<li>Cardiff - 2 (1 LAS, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Nottingham - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
<li>Regents - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>St. Andrews - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>Kent - 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>London School of Economics - 7 (5 LGS, 1 Resource, 1 Aitchison)</li>
<li>Southampton - 2 (1 Aitchison, 1 KGS)</li>
<li>London College of Fashion - 1 (KAS)</li>
<li>Loughborough 1 (LAS)</li>
<li>University of Manchester - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Birmingham - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Liverpool - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>University of Birmingham - 1 (Aitchison)</li>
</ol>

Canadian List:

<ol>
<li>University of Toronto - 7 (1 LAS, 2 LGS, 4 Aitchison)</li>
<li>University of Waterloo - 16 (7 Aitchison, 3 LAS, 5 LGS, 1 BSS)</li>
<li>Carleton - 7 (4 LAS, 3 LGS)</li>
<li>McGill - 37 (1 TCS, 16 LGS, 19 Aitchison, 1 Headstart)</li>
<li>University of British Columbia - 6 (2 LGS, 4 LAS)</li>
<li>York University - 5 (2 LAS, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS, 1 PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>Concordia University - 2 (1 LAS, 1 PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>University of New Brunswick - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>University of Manitoba - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>McMaster University - 3 (1 PIS Khobar, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>University of Western Ontario 9 (2 LAS, 7 LGS)</li>
<li>University of Alberta - 1 (PISES Riyadh)</li>
<li>Queen’s University - 4 (1 LAS, 1 ISG Dammam, 1 Aitchison, 1 LGS)</li>
</ol>

Other List:

<ol>
<li>HKUST - 3 (1 LAS, 1 Roots, 1 LGS)</li>
<li>Curtin Institute of Technology - 1 (PIS Khobar)</li>
<li>HKU - 4 (1 LGS, 1 Roots, 1 TCS, 1 BSS)</li>
<li>NYU Abu Dhabi - 1 (LGS)</li>
</ol>

Samtjt · March 31, 2010, 9:57am

The guy who got in posted once on this thread…I guess he is paying full…

BTW any1 heard that Williams turned from need blind to need awre for internationals on the eve of deceleration of admission decisions!!!..I knw som1 who got an e-mail from Williams telling this!!!

Inert101 · March 31, 2010, 10:00am

@talaltq: You’re right, we should stop defaming the politicians we elect because we are the ones who elected them in the first place. It’s our fault that the right people don’t gain power, because WE are the one’s who don’t make ‘educated’ choices based on FACTS, and instead allow ourselves to be fooled by overblown rhetoric and hollow promises.

It would be interesting to make a website that would actually describe the policy changes that different candidates in an election propose, and to compare that to what other candidates bring to the table.

Also, other than just the lack of unity, one problem is that we focus too heavily on test-taking, which, unfortunately, ends up encouraging the ratta system. Look at the states: in most high school classes, there is very little emphasis on test taking and more on discussion and essay writing, especially in courses concerning the humanities and social sciences. Those, in my opinion, are better indicators of knowledge and reasoning ability than are simple multiple choice tests.

Inert101 · March 31, 2010, 10:03am

@Samtjt: I doubt that Williams could turn away from need-blind admissions on such short notice. Is your source credible?

Ecthelion · March 31, 2010, 10:26am

Yeah Go to the Williams Thread…They have been talking about this for a long time now…another blow to the internationals…

Inert101 · March 31, 2010, 10:52am

Wow, that IS pretty bad.

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