Tiger Woods

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<p>Whether your husband is away on a business trip, deployed overseas or a celebrity golfer, it doesn’t minimize the stresses of raising young children. The last thing most young moms want to think about is that the man they love is out catting around. Most parents with toddlers or infants in the house aren’t even getting a full night’s sleep, much less an exciting social life. There may have been signs. She may have accused him of cheating in the past. </p>

<p>So Elins parents were there? Maybe that was intentional to give her moral support. </p>

<p>It may be easier to cheat with millions or billions in the bank account, but there are a lot of men - and women - who cheat on far less. The question is - why does anyone cheat?</p>

<p>Because they can.</p>

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<p>I agree, Northstarmom. I believe being in a marriage means being committed enough to say no to temptations regardless of the situation.</p>

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<p>North you are correct they can find a person, but that person also made a conscious decision to do it. They had the option of saying NO. You can’t cheat on someone if nobody is willing to go along with it.</p>

<p>He is an arse for walking down the path, but as the cliche goes, it takes 2 to tango. She allowed him the ability. She enabled him, had she said no, things could have been different. He would still be an arse, but at least he might start to get the idea that he is an arse.</p>

<p>Women do more damage to marriages than men. It always amazes me that if you poll women would what cause you to the end the marriage, they would say adultery, but yet they are willing to be the one that would cause that destruction. Are they that insecure, that they need to be an interloper? I never understand how any woman can justify being with a married man. I understand that sometimes love just occurs, but than again I have to say if he truly loves you, respects you and wants you, then he will be able to leave his wife before you lay in that bed. If he doesn’t that should be a blaring signal that in the end you mean nothing to him, but sex.</p>

<p>In Tiger’s situation, this girl was willing to be the mistress, she enabled it. She only turned on him because she was naive enough to believe that just because he did this to his wife he wouldn’t do it to her. Had the other 2 not been the ones that 1st surfaced, she would have still kept her mouth shut.</p>

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<p>More blame?! Poor Tiger, if those bad women hadn’t said yes, he wouldn’t have had to have sex with them.</p>

<p>Those women didn’t get up in front of God, family, and friends, and make a vow of love and faithfulness to Elin. If he had kept true to his promise, those women would have nothing to tell.</p>

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<p>More blame on the women? You gotta be kidding.</p>

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<p>I have no idea how you have come to that conclusion. Seriously?</p>

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<p>The blame lies with Tiger. The argument on the other women doesn’t hold water - he could have just picked up a prostitute.</p>

<p>My wife asked me what I would do if I were Elin. I just said that it would be very hard - kids involved vs long-term cheating and maybe some kind of addiction problem. I really don’t know what kind of relationship that they had at the beginning. If everything was a sham, I guess that I would look into cutting my losses and throw everything into raising the kids.</p>

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<p>You are right Tiger stood up there and promised, but the reality also is that these women can’t sit there and pretend to be innocent. They knew he was married, it wasn’t like Joe Shmoe who removes his wedding ring before entering a bar where they take blind faith that he is single.</p>

<p>I am a woman. If Bullet stepped out of our marriage, I would blame him, but I would also blame her for willingly allowing him to do so. I am not saying he should not be blamed, he should, he turned his back on their marriage. As a child of divorce due to an extra marital affair, I saw first hand the devastation. My father was wrong, he should have come to my mother prior to sleeping with his mistress and told h, the real hard truth. He should have given her that ability to save the marriage before the affair occurred. His mistress knew he had children, she should have stated leave your wife and we will move forward, she should have given that respect to a fellow human being. </p>

<p>As far as blame on the women, why not? Are you saying that the theory “well, he was going to cheat anyway, it might as well be” is a viable excuse? Are you saying if you had a daughter who did this, you would be shouting from the rooftops that my DD is Tiger’s mistress. If the answer is NO, than you know in your heart of hearts that you are disappointed in her decision. You know that she was doing something wrong, and deserves to be blamed, along with him</p>

<p>2 to tango!</p>

<p>BC, this is true he could have gotten a prostitute, but then again wouldn’t the woman carry blame for allowing him to do it.</p>

<p>I think that is the point people are missing in my stance. If women (naive, I know), did not say yes, I will sleep with you, than where does that leave him? It leaves him with no option, but to remain faithful, unless they are willing to sleep with another man. Nobody put a gun to her head and forced her to have sex with a married man. She chose, be it a mistress or a prostitute, she knew in the back of her head that she was the interloper. This 21 yr old, now 24, lived for 2 1/2 yrs knowing every time she accepted a phone call, gift or met him, she had a hand in ruining their marriage. AND if she was honest to herself, she would say it would devastate her if he did that in their own marriage, so she knew from the body of soul that it was wrong. AS far as I am concerned this relationship was more about her and what she wanted then him. She was happy being the paramour, she just wasn’t happy being 1 of 3 paramours.</p>

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<p>How on earth has Tiger Woods cheating on his wife, who he pursued relentlessly, become HER fault? How on earth has Tiger Woods cheating with unmarried young party girls become thier fault? Rachel Uchitel and the other one we know about so far, and from what I understand it really is “so far”, are not married. Tiger is married. I’d roll my eyes, but honestly? People.</p>

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<p>Yes, but you said “MORE” blame on the women. I say hogwash.</p>

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<p>Tiger’s behavior is really disappointing.<br>
Puts him right up with the Jon’s G’s on the jerk o meter. </p>

<p>Can’t imagine that anyone will think of him in the same way ever again.</p>

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<p>Can you imagine when he goes to the Masters next yr and how the crowd will react?</p>

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<p>Whether it is marital infidelity, alcoholism, drug abuse etc., there is ALWAYS a way for the inclined to indulge. I can see that the person who knowingly serviced Tiger is worthy of distain, but it was Tiger’s responsibility to control his conduct. </p>

<p>Also, I have absolutely no idea what the Tiger-Elin marriage was “before” all this, but Tiger’s need to “score” probably has very little to do with what was “missing” in his home life.</p>

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<p>With the high rate of marital infidelity of male and female spouses, opportunity to cheat is available at all socio-economic levels and from the members of the church, PTA etc. Fame and major money attracts those who want to get close to that. IMO–if the person with the fame/$$$$$$$$ is pursued by such people, they can learn to “say no.” </p>

<p>If the person with the fame/$$$$$$$ uses the fame/$$$$ to pursue people to cheat with, that may be much harder to change. I think Elin is wise to negotiate a more economically advantagous exit strategy “just in case” Tiger was a pursuer-type, rather that a weak pursued-type.</p>

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<p>The women he cheated with are immoral and to be blamed. But they aren’t the ones that are married. He is MORE at fault because it was HIS marriage vows he broke.</p>

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<p>The vows that were broken were Tiger’s vows. </p>

<p>The other women did not make those vows. I do not admire the women for what they did, but I do not blame them for what Tiger did.</p>

<p>–cross post with 3bm103</p>

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<p>Well said. I get really tired of the whole “devil made him do it” philosophy. We cannot control what others do, but WE ARE responsible for how we act and react to the world around us.</p>

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<p>Please do not confuse what I am saying with the sentiment expressed above. It would be absolutely ridiculous and completely wrong to blame Elin in any way for Tiger’s infidelity, and I never did that.</p>

<p>The only doubt that I expresssed was that “true love” is the motivation for “working things out” with her husband (or for that matter, even marrying him in the first place).</p>

<p>I also do think that if one reads the news, one realizes that the track record for very wealthy, very successful, highly entitled professional athletes (and for that matter, actors and politicians) is notoriously poor. The only thing I expressed is that I believe that Elin knew the risk she was taking in marrying one of the above, and she might have felt that the huge money was a factor is making that decision…that at least she would have some recourse if Tiger behaved like a typical entitled professional athlete.</p>

<p>I never blamed her (and do not now) for Tiger’s behavior. However, I also do not believe that she could be absolutely blindsided by someone like Tiger behaving like he did. I think the real damange was done when it all became public and that otherwise, she may have been willing to look the other way.</p>

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<p>Can’t we all just smile and agree that all people are immoral, vile, evil creatures who put their own desires above all else? :)</p>

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<p>LOL I’ll go for that if you add the caveat, “some more so than others.” ;)</p>

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<p>Regarding blaming the other women:</p>

<p>I think that young adults in the 20-30 range just have different values and they may not see it the way that we do. We may call them immoral but from their perspective it may not be a big deal. I don’t get this FWB thing but maybe I’m just plain old.</p>