Tiger Woods

<p>This may all be just about over. The 4th Estate, a professional sex worker and a “ranking amatuer” all say so. </p>

<p>Playgirl (having seen the pics) apparently feels what the photos depict is “no big deal.” (Sorry TW!) </p>

<p>Paris Hilton sez SHE hasn’t kept up with all this and that it’s no one else’s business (BTW–she hopes the marriage makes it cause Elin is beautiful).</p>

<p>And, Ashley Dupree (of the Spitzer doings) expresses her opinion as a sex professional (in the trenches and in her new position as newspaper sex advice columnist) that (1) females who do married males should not go public and (2) how many people a person has bedded is a don’t ask, don’t tell issue.</p>

<p>So, everybody --back to work!</p>

<p>Has anyone brought up his caddie? He also has/had a really “nice guy” caddie. Or so I thought. He had to have known about some of this. Guess when you make 10% of the pro’s tournament take you can look the other way. Has he made any statements. I was busy this weekend and lost track of the Tiger news. What is the count up to now?</p>

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<p>I am not an expert in the field of addiction medicine. However, I do know from my travels that when a person has not “used” in a while, they may not be suffering from withdrawals but the compulsions can remain. As far as “withdrawals” from a sexual addiction, that is an interesting question. I would venture that a person would certainly have symptoms, although they would not resemble, say, heroin withdrawal. Perhaps anxiety, headaches, and a propensity to turn to some replacement?</p>

<p>My opinion is that sex addiction is much like video game addiction. The withdrawal is different than, say, narcotics. People will likely be jittery, anxious, irritable. They will just be thinking about it, and about how good doing it would make them feel. They will try distractions, only to have a short attention span. There will be sleep issues.</p>

<p>My opinion is that he also does have narcotic prescription pain med issues, and will relieve some of his sex withdrawal symptoms by taking pain pills and saying he does not have a problem. Or by taking sleeping pills. Or by drinking.</p>

<p>“My opinion is that he also does have narcotic prescription pain med issues, and will relieve some of his sex withdrawal symptoms by taking pain pills and saying he does not have a problem. Or by taking sleeping pills. Or by drinking.”</p>

<p>of by …taking care of himself or finding another way to act on his addiction.</p>

<p>“Has anyone brought up his caddie? He also has/had a really “nice guy” caddie. Or so I thought. He had to have known about some of this”</p>

<p>Quotes from caddie posted a couple of pages ago saying that he didn’t know about Tiger’s affairs.</p>

<p>On one gossip site, there is a quote from someone saying the caddie was in Tiger’s pocket, so to speak…</p>

<p>My oh my, it looks like the weekday poster punners are raunchier than the weekend ones. And so many tempting one-liners and double entendres left “untouched”</p>

<p>TMZ now reporting:</p>

<p>"Florida’s Department of Children and amilies has an open investigation that it is actively pursuing into a possible domestic violence incident - with a weapon – between Tiger Woods and his wife, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.</p>

<p>RadarOnline.com has exclusively obtained a police document that provides proof and details of the investigation and DCF’s attempt to make an in-home visit to the Woods’ residence just days ago.</p>

<p>The document - police dispatch notes - details that the investigation centers on possible domestic violence between Tiger and his wife taking place in front of their young children. Using police code, it also spells out that a unknown weapon may have been involved. A source close to the situation told RadarOnline.com that the weapon is a golf club…"</p>

<p>If Elin did hit him with a golf club while he was sleeping – as one mistress has claimed Tiger texted her – I empathize with Elin, but still think that what she did was wrong. However, I can imagine losing my temper and doing the same i I had been in her position. Still, it would have been wrong…</p>

<p>the puns are funny. thanks for brightening my day !!!</p>

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yes they do… Joe Blow does not have to be notified.</p>

<p>OUCH… That’s gotta hurt pain pills or not. No wonder he took off–which was a wiser move than retaliating in kind. Who knew Swedes had such tempers. Not that he did not deserve it.</p>

<p>Interesting…</p>

<p>"As a sportswriter for 40 years who covered professional golf for this newspaper for most of the past two decades, I’ve seen and occasionally written about badly behaving athletes in sports across the board, including the PGA Tour, so very little surprises me anymore. But I can’t say that about this sadly sordid story.</p>

<p>I’m stunned…</p>

<p>Out of simple curiosity, I e-mailed some of my fellow golf writers last week, wondering if any of them knew anything about Woods’s extracurricular activities. A half-dozen colleagues who have covered the PGA Tour on a regular basis for most of the Woods era said they, too, had been similarly clueless about Woods’s self-described “infidelities.”</p>

<p>“I never saw or heard a thing,” one respondent said. “I had the occasion to be with Tiger away from the course, away from golf in very private settings, and never saw anything suggestive, never saw him looking at an attractive woman in a suggestive way. I guess I always thought he was smarter, so maybe I wasn’t looking for anything suspicious.”</p>

<p>Another veteran golf writer said, “the million-dollar question I’ve been asked is, ‘Did I know anything about this or ever see it coming?’ At first I was a bit embarrassed to say no, thinking I had not been much of a reporter. But in talking to players, I’m finding out I wasn’t alone. None of them had a sense of it either. ‘Ninety-eight percent of us are shocked’ is what one player just told me.”</p>

<p>And one more e-mail response to my query: “Rarely, if ever, did you see him off the golf course when he was playing, let alone when he was off [the tour]. Remember, these dalliances took place during his private time, such as Vegas or LA. I don’t think any of us thought about his private life until this came out, and we realized he did actually have one.”…"
[Leonard</a> Shapiro - Golf media had little inkling about Woods’s off-course behavior - washingtonpost.com](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121401836.html?hpid=topnews]Leonard”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121401836.html?hpid=topnews)</p>

<p>My impression of his caddie (“Stevie”) over the years has been that he is a combo caddie/wingman/bouncer for Tiger. No way he was not in the know on this.</p>

<p>NSM, this is what I was wondering about: how the heck did Tiger manage to escape TMZ and other celebrity chasers? It’s not like Tiger was not a nobody when this behavior of his began…</p>

<p>Pure speculation, but if Elin is going to divorce TW, as some sources claim, a domestic assault charge (much less a conviction) has the potential to “even the playing field” if she did wail on TW with a club. Especially since it appears Tiger didn’t try to physically retaliate.</p>

<p>For those who thought it couldn’t get any worse to be Elin, do not be so sure. Recall all the posters on this thread who feel strongly that Elin before marriage (1) knew TW was a horn-dog, (2) should have known this or (3) “assumed the risk” of this for fame and the “high life.” </p>

<p>Lorena Bobbit got a pass on self-help marital abuse retribution against an unknown and you have to assume that some jurors on a panel will think like the “Elin got what she bargained for” CC posters. Elin could be in for a rough time. She may need the $5 million she got on day 2 to fight this.</p>

<p>Interesting dynamic if Elin wants out of the marriage, but needs TW to down play the event.</p>

<p>DCF could remove the kids from Elin’s care and put them into the well-being of Tiger…YIKES.</p>

<p>In Florida, the domestic violence laws are such that if there is an altercation and the police are called or otherwise end up at the scene, and if the wife threw the punch, no matter what the mental or other abuse was that triggered it, the wife gets charged and carted off to jail. Even if she was the one that made the call and feared for her safety. </p>

<p>Given those involved, Elin was not carted off. But she still faces huge scrutiny.</p>

<p>Perhaps Elin’s mother is there because there was concern the state would intervene after the use of the golf club as a weapon. And leaving the kids totally in Tiger’s care would not make much sense. </p>

<p>Elin should NEVER HAVE used the golf club or the phone as a weapon. She is in worse hot water with the state than Tiger is. And he will be using this against her as well. I would bet my money on it. The state of Florida will never let her go and take the kids to Sweden if she hit him with a golf club and broke his tooth with a phone.</p>

<p>WHAT A MESS.</p>

<p>so much for swedes being mild-mannered…</p>

<p>It seems to me that Tiger’s using this as leverage against Elin because it’s the only thing he has to use. And don’t get me wrong - Elin was wrong if she hit him with a golf club although I can understand a moment of rage. I once saw my mom throw a fork at my dad and they’ve been married over 50 years now.</p>

<p>BUT if it’s Elin’s word against Tiger’s word and the kids were the only ones there - aren’t the kids too young to testify? And if there was no other witness, what happens?</p>

<p>Could Elin just take the kids and leave for Sweden now? Or is she restrained from leaving the country?</p>

<p>Questions, questions…</p>

<p>I doubt many jurors would blame her for taking a shot. She’ll get whatever she wants.</p>

<p>“if there was no other witness, what happens?”</p>

<p>One of two things. One is that the authorities believe one person rather than the other. The other is that the physical evidence backs up one rather than the other. Smashed teeth strongly suggest an assault with a weapon.</p>