<p>Tzar09,</p>
<p>Michiagn is certainly world-class or one of the very best academic institutions in the world. You may be surprised but internationally, it has more prestige than most schools in the US with undergrad concentration. Top scholars from all over the world would “die” to go to Michigan.</p>
<p>… not really. </p>
<p>This is speaking with myself living in Canada (born in china), with cousins living from France to China to Australia to USA. </p>
<p>My list (revisedish):</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Oxford</li>
<li>Cambridge</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Wharton (Ya it’s Penn but Penn isn’t recognized; they don’t know wharton is part of Penn)</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Tokyo U</li>
<li>Peking U (Hey… at lest more than 1/7 of the population knows it… it’s VERY prestigious in China)</li>
<li>that school in Germany whose name I forgot</li>
<li>ecole polytechnique</li>
<li>TsingHua (same as peking)</li>
</ol>
<p>Um, when did the time machine drop us back in the 1970s?</p>
<p>I was under the impression we were calling it ‘Beijing’ now…not Peking. </p>
<p>I have zero opinion on that list. Don’t know anything about around half the schools on it.</p>
<p>Well, a third of them.</p>
<p>It’s Bei Jing University, but they want to call it Peking to differentiate from the 100 other Beijing Universities.</p>
<p>And it’s more internationalish… which ones don’t you know? (I hope you know all the US and UK ones…)</p>
<p>I know plenty about 1-10, and not much of anything about 11-15.</p>
<p>Top 15:</p>
<p>HYPSM
Berkeley
Columbia
Chicago
Cornell
Hopkins
Duke
Michigan
Virginia
Penn
UCLA</p>
<p>this is factoring in the world view as well, of course.</p>
<p>If you factor in small regional areas like the south, the north, the midwest, etc, schools like Northwestern, NYU, UNC, Rice, WUSTL, Notre Dame, etc could be thrown in there too, but overall, my list encompasses the overall undisputed top 15 schools in the US from a global perspective inclusive of the United States.
Trying to tie down JUST a United States version is too subjective and difficult as overpopulous regions (like Northeast vs. midwest) would give some schools the edge over others due to regional popularity (like Tufts might be considered better than northwestern/uchicago in the northeast). </p>
<p>So…there you go 
Pretty sure this list is very spot-on in terms of PRESTIGE.</p>
<p>also, in some areas, I would interchange Duke on the list with northwestern. Most people outside of the country are likely to know of Northwestern moreso than Duke</p>
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Yea… That’s why my first list was only 8ish. I couldn’t really think of any other school in the US that is truly recognized throughout the world, so I thought of picking a few schools that are not in the US. I mean pretty much everyone in China knows tsinghua and peking, and it’s pretty much harder to get in than harvard so that’s why I put them there.</p>
<p>lol, Peking and Tsinghua are more competitive because China’s population is 5 times larger than that of the United States. Indian and Chinese universities are hella competitive because the construction costs of universities are so stratospherically high, the Gov’t can’t possibly construct enough of them.</p>
<p>If you want to talk about Greater China, then Hong Kong universities are all within the top 100 in the world (as opposed to Peking and Tsinghua which are top 200-300 in the world) are much greater quality than mainland Chinese universities… albeit less favoritism and less guanxi (connections) with the Chinese Central Gov’t…</p>
<p>Why does that matter when you are in Hong Kong, the special place in China where you can do whatever you want and still have access to a future global power?</p>
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<p>I like this list.</p>
<p>I disagree. I think Chinese education overall is much better than the US academically. This is why average highschool students from china come here and easily become the top of the class.</p>
<p>Peking and Tsinghua are much better than 200-300 in terms of education. it’s just really poor, and the west sort of hates China.</p>
<p>And hongkong is just this little weird fisherman’s island.</p>
<p>Hong Kong-Shenzhen megapolis will outstrip London, Chicago, LA and rank 3rd after New York City and Tokyo as China’s first international world metropolis by 2020.</p>
<p>GDP per capita in Hong Kong is $42K, 6th highest in the world, higher than Japan.</p>
<p>Hong Kong and Shenzhen (GDP per capita = $13K) are the only two Chinese cities that meet IMF definitions of a “developed city” in China. GDP per capita has to be greater than $10K in order to be a “developed city” according to the IMF.</p>
<p>Shanghai (GDP per capita $8.5K) and Beijing (GDP per capita $8.7K) are dirt poor compared to their rich Hong Kong cousins.</p>
<p>Hong Kong is the ‘Pearl of the Orient’ or the ‘Gateway into China’. Hong Kong’s is the world’s freest economy and it’s aggressive capitalistic free enterprise mindset is why China is modernizing and flourishing under foreign capital investment in the first place. Hong Kong is a conduit for foreign capital to reach mainland China to begin with. 33% of FDI came through HKG.</p>
<p>I’m not sure why you are comparing highschool scholastic aptiude with United States Higher education system (colleges specifically). </p>
<p>Yes, Peking and Tsinghua is that bad. China overall is a 3rd world nation. Have you been? It’s a pretty polluted, backwards thinking, corrupt, and poor nation…</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, in order of prestige, not academic quality:</p>
<ol>
<li>Oxford</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Cambridge</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
</ol>
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Hm. What’s wrong with this statement?</p>
<p>I’ve lived in China for 8 years.</p>
<p>Who are you to say that their thinking is “backwards”? Although corrupt, poor and polluted I agree with. </p>
<p>Chinese schools overall from elementary to college are better academically, but all they focus on is academics, so no hands on, no leadership etc, which is why they fail. but purely academically Tsinghua and Peking are great. People who are good enough to get in are generally at least national olympiad level for science and mathematics at least in the US.</p>
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lmao you should go into news reporting. You’re a natural.</p>
<p>u§ername,</p>
<p>I agree that those 2 or 3 Chinese universities in your list are prestigious, but I don’t think they are more prestigious than the University of Michigan. What do I mean by that? </p>
<p>When we are to give a full grant to a deserving Chinese to study at either UMich of a top Chinese uni, I’m positive that the Chinese would not think twice in getting the UMich grant. And, I would bet that almost everyone around the world would do as well. I like your list though, except that it needs to be refined a little bit.</p>
<p>That’s true. But I’m just saying 1/7th of the world’s population lives in China, and they all know tsinghua/peking. UMich? Not so much. </p>
<p>So ya. Tsinghua/peking are also harder to get into. But I agree you will get a better education (more well-rounded) and have more opportunities in UMich.</p>
<p>I’d like to add that internationally, Duke, Northwestern, JHU, Michigan, UPenn, Chicago and Cornell are seen almost on par with each other. You can’t really tell which one is more prestigious than the other – as a whole.</p>
<p>I kind of question Michigan, I feel as though schools like Rice or Georgetown might be a better pick. As for Northwestern, I think of it like WUSTL, excellent school, but less recognition than a lot of the other top schools.</p>
<p>^^ Wrong.
Rice is nowhere near prestigious worldwide or even in the states overall, for that matter.
Georgetown could be a MAYBE, but really only because DC is one of those places to be and the fact that Clinton went there. (yes, I know, other amazing people have gone there…but only Clinton has made Georgetown as TRULY prestigious in recent years as it has become).</p>
<p>and Michigan is a HUGE force in the world. Not near Berkeley, of course, but around the levels of Cornell, Hopkins, CHicago, and Columbia.</p>
<p>As for Duke, it’s prestige is really mostly limited to the states. I think it’s very safe to say Northwestern garners more name recognition outside of the states than Duke.</p>
<p>^ The Presidents from Rice, Johns Hopkins, and Yale were the only US university leaders to be invited by the Chinese Ministry of Education to attend the 2008 Beijing Olympic Ceremonies…</p>
<p>[Rice</a> University | News & Media](<a href=“http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=11285&SnID=536764951]Rice”>http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=11285&SnID=536764951)</p>
<p>Other university leaders include Hong Kong University (HKU), HKUST, University of Cambridge, etc…</p>