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<p>Stop using hypotheticals to support your ridiculous assertion. Your school is mediocre, no matter how temporary that be the case.</p>
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<p>hahahahah are you kidding me??? You are comparing UVA’s 2008 middle 50% with UF’s 1999 middle 50%??? And you’re telling xNYer to take math classes??? lol</p>
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<p>No hypotheticals! Just read the news. I didn’t just pull the numbers out of no where! The incoming class cut was supposed to happen this Fall but UF admissions didn’t want to retract acceptance letters. Don’t be a Gator Hator ;)</p>
<p>goufgators, I believe beefs is referring as “hypotheticals” to the fact that you guys are introducing all sort of variables (when this happens, and if this happens…) to explain that the school will rise, or is not mediocre, etc. He is not saying that your info about cutting the incoming class is wrong…</p>
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<p>Well, yeah, even if you did that, you can’t trim away lower qualified students and reduce its student body to compare SAT stats on an equal level like that.</p>
<p>It doesn’t work like that. Even if it was a random process of knocking students out, the percentages as you’ve posted should stay that same if it was a truly random process.</p>
<p>UF has to drop more than 15% to compensate for the 234% size difference that UF holds over UVA. Like, it takes years for these differences to take effect. :)</p>
<p>As for the OP’s original question, JHU >>> UF for premed. NO DOUBT.</p>
<p>And as far as climbing up in the rankings, US News PA scores account for 25% of the actual ranking. In the just released 2009, with Virginia at 4.3 (same as Brown and Dartmouth, for Christ’s sakes!) and UF at 3.6, I doubt that any significant change is going to happen in that direction. After all, PA score is extremely subjective and nothing more than a glorified opinion survey. With all the bad news coming from Florida about faculty leaving, problems recruiting, bigger classes, etc, I believe this will likely reflect eventually on that Peer Assessment score…for the worst.</p>
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<p>I understand. The UF supporters on this thread are making the claim that the admitted students at UF can compete with the students at the “top” universities. I think the claims have been well made proving that UF is undervalued.</p>
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<p>You and I both know that admission offices don’t just randomly pick HS students to attend their schools! 
So Let’s not make stuff up! :)</p>
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<p>Yes, I agree with you. It takes a while for the effects to propagate through the rankings. But you have to start at some point making changes for the better right? It’s obvious now that UF has the students from the state with high SAT and GPA numbers. UF is steering itself now to position itself for higher ranks in the future.</p>
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<p>I thought PA was removed from the rankings? I guess the rumors were wrong.</p>
<p>YOUR SCHOOL IS MEDIOCRE. EVERYONE BUT YOU AGREES. I do not have hard numbers, because I do not have full access in USNWR for all the info. Also I am not positive where to get grad school, job placement and starting salary data. I did find USF is 40k, so assuming UF is 45k than that is still 15k left than an Ivy league school ( a tremendous amount) But ask any educated person, UF is not prestigious and has a crappy national recognition. Get over it. Goufgators you are really delusional about this, what were your stats to get into UF anyway?</p>
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Not even remotely. They on average can’t compete with kids from top schools and no one agrees that UF is undervalued.</p>
<p>^^ Yeah, i get that. But when UF cuts the size of the incoming class, it will be cutting everybody, including a lot of the top students whose stats are now helping raise the school rank. As a state school, they must to continue to take students with lower stats, …Right ? </p>
<p>I guess we will see the results of all this speculation in a couple of years…!</p>
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<p>ABSOLUTELY, they get state and federal funding and must accept “lower quality” students that meet the bare minimum requirement because they are a state school with the responsbility to educate. They must continue to take takes with lower stats…because they get state and federal funding.</p>
<p>So, to sum up this thread, we have concluded that UF’ers are delusional and their school is mediocre. It’s time to accept it and move on.</p>
<p>Here is some objective data for you, the first is average starting salary the second is median mid-career salary/</p>
<p>UF University of Florida (UF) Party $47,100.00 $87,900.0
Yale University Ivy League $59,100.00 $126,000.00
Dartmouth College Ivy League $58,000.00 $134,000.00
University of California, Berkeley State $59,900.00 $112,000.00
University of Virginia (UVA) State $52,700.00 $103,000.00
University of Michigan State $52,700.00 $93,000.00 </p>
<p>Here it is for comparison, how does UF do? This isn’t everything, but it definitely shows something.</p>
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<p>No. Each state school in Florida has the right to pick the size of the student body it wants. If you look at the 11 public schools in Florida, you will see that their student bodies vary a lot in undergrad student body size. The state mandates that a certain percentage of students of your incoming class must come from the state of Florida.</p>
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<p>Abosultely not. Don’t make stuff up! The universities in Florida and admit anyone they want into their schools. BECAUSE they are state schools, they must admit a certain PERCENTAGE of florida students into their incoming class.</p>
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<p>Let’s try to normalize those numbers based cost of living. With $59.1K/year in the Bay Area you are living underneath the Bay Bridge!</p>
<p>HAHHA, you actually think that kids from these colleges don’t live all over the country. Make more excuses.</p>
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<p>My reply to whether or not state universities must take in less qualfied applicants.</p>
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<p>Owned.</p>