<p>Look no one is trying to say UF is better than Berkeley. I think we are just trying to say UF is pretty damn good at research.</p>
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The University of Florida is ranked second overall in the United States for the total number of bachelor's degrees awarded to African Americans, and third overall for Hispanics. UF ranks fifth overall in total number of doctoral degrees awarded to African Americans, and second overall for Hispanics, and third overall in total number of professional degrees awarded to African Americans, and first overall for Hispanics.
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<p>and why would I or anyone else care?</p>
<p>Here we go again with the alumni list SSobick. I thought you saw the error of your ways. :(</p>
<p>It's absurd that UF alumni has the state "on lockdown." It's almost as if you're saying that if you don't go to UF and remain in Florida you'll never get an upper management or professional position because of where you got your undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>Just so you know SSobick, I don't hate UF, as much as it seems like it. One of my cousins went to grad school at UF, and another got her undergrad there. My dad is also a UF alum. I just think UF is very overrated in FL.</p>
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Research money means nothing without results. Berkeley is pretty successful in every field it puts money towards. I can't say I've heard the same for Florida
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<p>Absolutely! If UF didn't produce such successful results as well, then they wouldn't be continuously given so much research money from so many outside sources.</p>
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Research money means nothing without results. Berkeley is pretty successful in every field it puts money towards. I can't say I've heard the same for Florida.
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<p>Hey UF has Gatorade!</p>
<p>But I just read Berkeley will soon have invisibilty so we win (:</p>
<p>Cal scientists on the trail of invisibility
Tom Abate, Chronicle Staff Writer</p>
<p>Tuesday, August 12, 2008</p>
<p>(08-11) 19:19 PDT -- Researchers at UC Berkeley have invented a light-deflecting technique that could one day render objects invisible.</p>
<p>The breakthrough, reported by two teams of scientists in the laboratory of UC Berkeley Professor Xiang Zhang, in the near term could spawn such products as DVDs capable of storing many high-definition movies on a single optical disc, and microscope-like instruments with incredible resolution.</p>
<p>Guy Bartal, research manager of the Zhang lab, said the scientists used techniques from two disciplines - nanotechnology, the art of making incredibly small structures, and materials science, which seeks to understand the properties of complex molecules.</p>
<p>The work at Berkeley is the latest development in the 40-year scientific quest to make light, and other electromagnetic waves, jump through hoops and bend to human will.</p>
<p>In essence, the Berkeley scientists created two unimaginably tiny mazes using nanotechnology that, by virtue of the materials used, exert subtle electromagnetic effects that confuse light waves into developing the physics equivalent of a split personality.</p>
<p>"The energy moves forward, but the wave that carries the light moves backward," Bartal said.</p>
<p>The Berkeley work is part of an emerging field called metamaterial science - the deliberate creation of structures designed to play subtle tricks on all sorts of light waves.</p>
<p>One way to understand metamaterial science is to recall what happens when one puts a stick into water. To the eye, the stick seems to bend upward as the water refracts light.</p>
<p>What the Berkeley scientists did was create a metamaterial that could perform a trick beyond the power of water - their structures refracted the light in reverse so that the stick, so to speak, would seem to pop out of the water.</p>
<p>All this goes back four decades to the work of Russian physicist Victor Veselago, who theorized that the proper materials, organized just so, could create an electromagnetic "mirror" to induce what scientists call negative refraction - that is, make light waves do an about-face.</p>
<p>But until the advent of nanotechnology, scientists couldn't build structures tiny enough to play tricks on light. And even now, scientists are just starting to understand the subtle pushes and pulls that various materials can exert on waves whizzing by at the speed of light.</p>
<p>Among the developments that led up to the work at Berkeley were late '90s experiments by physicist John Pendry at Imperial College, London, and a 2001 paper by Rodger Walser, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin who coined the term "metamaterials."</p>
<p>What makes the Berkeley contributions notable is that two separate teams at the Zhang lab made parallel breakthroughs using slightly different recipes - and got their work vetted by the world's two top journals. </p>
<p>One group, led by Berkeley graduate student Jason Valentine, alternated layers of silver and nonmagnetic magnesium fluoride in a fishnet pattern that reversed near-infrared light.</p>
<p>A second team, led by graduate student Jie Yao, created a metamaterial that made red light waves bounce backward - a technical first but, by the admission of the Berkeley scientists, only a baby step toward a cloak of invisibility.</p>
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<p>Some of you people are ridiculous and myopic. OK, so by US NEWS standard, UF isn't a "top 10 Public". In fact, it is ranked #13 pubic. In fact, I make the case that it is underrated, not overrated based on the fact that the student body is by GPA and SAT scores, superior to most of the schools ranked 5-10 slots above it. In fact, the top 20% SAT of UF overlaps with the bottom 25% of of Brown, Vandy, Cornell, U-Penn, etc showing that the UF student body in the aggregate compares with any school in the world. THIS is a great argument for UF being UNDERRATED. US News de-emphasizes GPA and SAT scores in it's ranking. This GPA and SAT chasm will grow as UF cuts enrollment by 4,000 students in the next few years in order to reduce the student faculty ratio, which will increase it's US NEWS ranking.</p>
<p>It is incredible how this makes UF a "mediocre" school, considering there has to be thousands of public schools out there. It is a great school, on par with the Illinois, Wisconsin's and USCD's of the world, but UF in the next 10 years should easily make the leap to top 5-10 public and into the top 30 overall. Right now, UF is a "top 50" school by all rankings and bodes higher in international rankings that de-emphasize "soft" ranking criteria. It is by any measure (except for maybe on this board) a great school.</p>
<p>To the OP-i would chose JHU but not at a cost of 30K plus the thousands you will spend moving there, traveling back and forth and the added expenses of going to school 1300 miles away. UF is a great and won't hinder your chances of med school in any way. I think for you, it's all about GPA/MCAT and not at all about undergrad name brand anyway.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-florida/540471-despite-cuts-uf-still-likely-become-top-10-public.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-florida/540471-despite-cuts-uf-still-likely-become-top-10-public.html</a></p>
<p>"UF in the next 10 years should easily make the leap to top 5-10 public and into the top 30 overall."</p>
<p>This is exactly the kind of delusion I was talking about. Nice.</p>
<p>^lmao
i love watching this thread.</p>
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UF is in the process of addressing the issue of the large student/professor ratio by increasing tuition by 15% this year to hire more factuality. Florida law allows UF to eventually raise tuition 40% over the state's base tuition.
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<p>With many top faculty leaving UF I find this very difficult to believe. Professors are leaving UF, not flocking to it. Faculty recruitment is currently a big problem.</p>
<p>I find amusing how alumni from a school consistently ranked as a top "party school" (by their own students) together with the rank of "students study the least" (also by their own!!!) always get into this delusional discussion about the UF being top in the country.</p>
<p>One thing that UF has going for them is the vast alumni network. If you are from Florida, you will likely go to UF and if you stay in Florida, that helps the alumni ranks swell locally. It is a household name in the state for those who can not afford Miami......,but definitely not outside of it.</p>
<p>You don't need to study to be a good student (at least in some classes), but that's besides the point.</p>
<p>""UF in the next 10 years should easily make the leap to top 5-10 public and into the top 30 overall."</p>
<p>This is exactly the kind of delusion I was talking about. Nice."</p>
<p>instead of being snide, why don't you explain why Uf won't rise in the rankings? You should really back up your statements with some sort of fact. Did you learn anything about argument in your school? It's much easier to throw out emotional arguments that make people laugh, but that is far from substantiating a point of view. I made an argument and provided evidence. There is a president who has ranking UF in the top 10 public his goal, he has made tangible steps in implementing this goal, has propelled the University in the rankings to date and is taking the final steps necessary to go the final step (reducing student/faculty ratio). He ll, he is even reaching across the isle and collaborating with Florida State to reach these goals. Also, UF is ranked higher in international rankings, US News isn't the end all-but even if it were, being #49 isn't even close to being anything less than a stellar school. </p>
<p>And the best you have for an argument is "This is exactly the kind of delusion I was talking about. Nice."</p>
<p>Now, THAT is funny...only the joke os on you. Now, you've been exposed :)</p>
<p>"It is a household name in the state for those who can not afford Miami......,but definitely not outside of it.</p>
<p>OK, your anti bias UF shines here. Funny!</p>
<p>No one is watching this thread anyway. And the results are predictable, as it always is when someone asks the question of value in comparing a school near the top of "top-tier" versus the near the bottom of "top-tier" (especially one that is public). </p>
<p>JHU and UF would offer very different college experiences....city vs. college town. Weather. Sports. Cost. In terms of entry to medical school, UF isn't going to hold him back. If he has his heart set on JHU and his family can afford it, then by all means he should try to make that happen. But UF is a fine alternative and he is fortunate to live in a state that has such a good option, as most states do not. He may wish to consider New College as well.</p>
<p>Most public schools would kill for the success UF has in its sports programs. UF is one of the very few universities where its athletic department makes a profit. It recently donated $20 million back to the university.</p>
<p>Success, whether research, academic or athletic, builds momentum for more success.</p>
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OK, your anti bias UF shines here. Funny!
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And your pro-UF bias shines here:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/460516-university-florida-considering-offering-s-internet-mba-europe.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/460516-university-florida-considering-offering-s-internet-mba-europe.html</a>
here:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/484776-reccomend-entrepreneur-book.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/484776-reccomend-entrepreneur-book.html</a>
and especially here :) : <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/394362-wall-street-journal-mba-rankings-u-florida-6-regional.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-school-mba/394362-wall-street-journal-mba-rankings-u-florida-6-regional.html</a></p>
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But I just read Berkeley will soon have invisibilty so we win (:
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<p>What's your point? UF has flying saucers ;)</p>
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With many top faculty leaving UF I find this very difficult to believe. Professors are leaving UF, not flocking to it. Faculty recruitment is currently a big problem.</p>
<p>I find amusing how alumni from a school consistently ranked as a top "party school" (by their own students) together with the rank of "students study the least" (also by their own!!!) always get into this delusional discussion about the UF being top in the country.</p>
<p>One thing that UF has going for them is the vast alumni network. If you are from Florida, you will likely go to UF and if you stay in Florida, that helps the alumni ranks swell locally. It is a household name in the state for those who can not afford Miami......,but definitely not outside of it.
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<p>Students choose to go to UF over UM as UF is the flagship university in the state of Florida.</p>
<p>Professors transferring from one university to another is a normal career move for many of the top professors. However, a few that have left UF have admitted their decision was based on the recent budget issues in the education system in Florida. With that said, UF is boosting tuition to hire more faculty and to increase current faculty pay. President Machen is doing the right thing to make UF a top-10 public university.</p>
<p>Show me proof that UF is only regarded regionally.</p>
<p>I have read your other posts scattered around on this website; You are drinking WAY TOO MUCH Hatorade! ;)</p>
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[The UF Athletics department] recently donated $20 million back to the university.
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<p>And about $45 million dollars since the early 90s.</p>
<p>If you're seriously pre-med then your undergrad doesn't really matter. Just get good grades (which will be significantly easier at UF), do well on your MCATs (a function of how smart you are/how much you study), and get involved in community service/research/sports/whatever (soft factors).</p>
<p>IMO JHU is terrible for pre-med cause of the insane competition.</p>