University of Florida

<p>Also, UF has a lot of intelligent students because many of them are pretty much held hostage by the government to stay in the state with the Bright Futures scholarship, instead of paying more money to go OOS. Usually, these smarter students tend to leave the state. This leads to higher admissions standards.</p>

<p>Hey, if you could go to a good state school for free, despite the fact you may only have average scores for that university, you would probably do it, right?</p>

<p>Since when did the admissions standards become the sole means to be able to say UF is better than Brown and Vanderbilt? What happened to output?</p>

<p>^ FYI: DVM is just bitter because he isn’t part of the new incoming class.</p>

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Yeah…that’s basically the situation I’m facing unless I can cough up scholarships for OOS schools.

Sure would, but tuition, as you said, ain’t each at good schools.</p>

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<p>Well, for a forum with some of the highest traffic on CC, that statement really speaks for itself. The number of “views” nearly matches the number of “replies”…pretty dismal either way. </p>

<p>There you go for that “national” interest for a public university going all the way to the top 10…Regional, is the defining word.</p>

<p>Say what you want MyOpinion but in the years to come Florida is projected to reach 28 million residents by 2030. </p>

<p>Guess what UF’s entering class is going to continue to keep getting better and better. In 2005: 55% of FTIC applicants were admitted, and in 2008: only 36% were admitted. It’s inevitable this trend is only going continue in the years to come.</p>

<p>The rest of the top-15 public universities had better watch out because UF is on a course to jump half of them!</p>

<p>I think the view counter is broken…all newer threads have a view # +1</p>

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<p>I don’t think you’re very observant. All the recent threads have “replies” and “views” with a difference of 1.</p>

<p>How easy is it to get an A at UF?</p>

<p>In light of the fact that it is #1 in partying and #1 in not studyin, is it safe to assume that is relatively easy to get an A each and every single class? </p>

<p>I mean of course it is, but do you seriously think you can keep up that committment of attending class everyday, listenig to boring lectures, handing in your essays in on time, studying for full amounts of time before each midterm, quiz, and final for nearly all four years while you are at UF and expect not to party with everyone else?</p>

<p>Thats difficult to say. I think its even more difficult to get As and to maintain it given everyone around you aren’t studying, your probably going to get dragged in partying night after night as well…Thats not good because it takes serious work and dedication to score high on MCATs and maintain a great GPA for medical school. And even that wont guarantee you in to the most elite and prestigious med schools here in the country. UF might be more a distraction in the long run, while its short term benefits may be easy gettng good grades, etc…</p>

<p>Take it from a JHU premed, If your serious about going to a medical school, go to JHU. Its a decision that you will not regret because as many grads from here say, they could not have been in a more better position entering medical school with the advise, training, and mental prepration JHU teaches to its undergrads about forcing habitual studying habits and instilling knowledge and hardwork, crucial skills every student needs when entering medical school.</p>

<p>Florida’s population was projected to be 28 million but things have changed. Recently Florida’s growth has slowed considerably. Also how much of that new growth is in the age bracket that will actually apply to UF. If its all retirees I don’t see how that will make UF that much more competitive. Actually I have read that Florida’s public school enrollments have been dropping with many school aged kids and their families moving to NC and GA. Right now Florida really isn’t doing that great. I recently read this Time article, which may be overly bleak, but all is not well in the Sunshine State. FL’s economy is not very diversified and lacks high paying jobs to keep talent in the state.</p>

<p>Is Florida the Sunset State?</p>

<p>By Michael Grunwald/Miami</p>

<p>Water Crisis Mortgage Fraud Political Dysfunction Algae Polluted Beaches Declining Crops Failing Public Schools Foreclosures</p>

<p>Greetings from Florida, where the winters are great!</p>

<p>Otherwise, there’s trouble in paradise. We’re facing our worst real estate meltdown since the Depression. We’ve got a water crisis, insurance crisis, environmental crisis and budget crisis to go with our housing crisis. We’re first in the nation in mortgage fraud, second in foreclosures, last in high school graduation rates. Our consumer confidence just hit an all-time low, and our icons are in trouble–the citrus industry, battered by freezes and diseases; the Florida panther, displaced by highways and driveways; the space shuttle, approaching its final countdown. New research suggests that the Everglades is collapsing, that our barrier beaches could be under water within decades, that a major hurricane could cost us $150 billion.</p>

<p>We do wish you were here, because attracting outsiders has always been our primary economic engine, and our engine is sputtering. Population growth is at a 30-year low. School enrollment is declining. Retirees are drifting to the Southwest and the Carolinas, while would-be Floridians who bought preconstruction condos in more optimistic times are scrambling–and often suing–to break contracts. This is our dotcom bust, except worse, because our local governments are utterly dependent on construction for tax revenues, so they’re slashing school and public-transportation budgets that were already among the nation’s stingiest. “This may be our tipping point,” says former Senator Bob Graham.</p>

<p>Florida was once a swampy rural backwater, the poorest and emptiest state in the South. But in the 20th century, air-conditioning, bug spray and the miracle of water control helped transform it into a migration destination for the restless masses of Brooklyn and Cleveland, Havana and Port-au-Prince. Florida developed its own ventricle at the heart of the American Dream–not only as an affordable playground and comfortable retirement home with no income tax but also as a state of escape and opportunity, a Magic Kingdom for tourists, a Fountain of Youth for seniors, a Cape Canaveral for Northerners looking to launch their second acts. Even the soggy Everglades, once considered a God-forsaken hellhole, became a national treasure.</p>

<p>But now the financial and environmental bill for a century of runaway growth and exploitation is coming due. The housing bust has exposed a human pyramid scheme–an economy that relied on a thousand newcomers a day, too many of them construction workers, mortgage bankers, real estate agents and others whose livelihoods depended on importing a thousand more newcomers the next day. And the elaborate water-management scheme that made southern Florida habitable has been stretched beyond capacity, yo-yoing between brutal droughts and floods, converting the Everglades into a tinderbox and a sewer, ravaging the beaches, bays, lakes and reefs that made the region so alluring in the first place. “The dream is fading,” says University of South Florida historian Gary Mormino. “People think Florida is too crowded, too spoiled, too expensive, too crazy, too many immigrants–name your malady.”</p>

<p>Still, the winters really are great! And this doom-and-glooming might sound familiar. In 1981, TIME declared crime- and drug-plagued South Florida a “Paradise Lost.” The region then embarked on an epic boom. Southeast Florida–including Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach–ballooned into the nation’s seventh largest metro, while southwest Florida–Naples, Cape Coral, Fort Myers–became the fastest-growing metro. Last year 82.4 million visitors found their way to this lost paradise. And last month Governor Charlie Crist unveiled a $1.75 billion deal to buy the U.S. Sugar Corp. and its 187,000 acres of farmland, a move that would help restore the Everglades. It’s the state’s best eco-news in decades.</p>

<p>So lifers like seventh-generation Floridian Allison DeFoor–lawyer, lobbyist, historian, Episcopal minister, environmental consultant and Republican operative–are disinclined to panic just yet. “Sure, it’s the end of Florida as we know it,” DeFoor quips. “It’s always the end of Florida as we know it.”</p>

<p>Florida’s history is lush with volatility and flimflam. As Groucho Marx’s real estate huckster warned in The Cocoanuts in 1929, “You can even get stucco! Oh, how you can get stucco.” But eventually, the lies always seemed to come true, because there were always new dreamers from cold climates, and worthless swampland was just a drainage canal and a zoning variance away from becoming a golf-course subdivision.</p>

<p>Yet even boosters admit that Florida’s Miracle-Gro has created many of its current problems. “We need steady growth, not crazy growth,” Crist says. There’s a sense that paradise has been ruined by awful traffic, overcrowded schools, overtapped aquifers and polluted beaches. The land of Disney dreams for the middle class is now a high-cost, low-wage state with Mickey Mouse schools and Goofy insurance rates, living beyond its environmental and economic means in harm’s way. As peculiar as it sounds, this go-for-broke state of boundless possibilities–the land of Kimbo Slice, Miami Vice and Mar-a-Lago–might be leading America into a new era of limits.</p>

<p>The Busted Dream</p>

<p>Juan Puig embodied the Florida dream, proving that an ordinary guy with moxie could make a fortune and enjoy the high life by selling the dream to others. A Cuban immigrant, he started his career as a janitor and then a baggage handler at the Miami airport, living in a Hialeah apartment without air-conditioning, peddling sunglasses to co-workers on the side. In the 1990s, he discovered real estate, rehabbing and selling a few foreclosed duplexes, then developing town houses and branching into condo conversions as the market went nuts. He soon built a statewide empire with 300 employees, including a staff priest who blessed his projects. He bought a waterfront mansion in Coral Gables, a fleet of classic cars, a Ferretti yacht, huge collections of fine wine, Cuban art and luxury watches. Just last year he spent $80,000 on an antique billiard table.</p>

<p>Puig’s financial records were a mess, and his accountant was a convicted felon with ties to the Colombian drug kingpin, Pablo Escobar. But that never seemed to bother Puig’s investors or lenders, who kept showering him with money as long as condo prices kept soaring. It certainly didn’t bother Puig, who explained in a recent deposition that he never paid attention to his books, in part because his expertise was in matters like where to advertise property and whether to paint the doors yellow or white, and in part because he never imagined the Florida housing market could tank: “Of course, I trusted that the business, like always, would be successful.”</p>

<p>Of course, he got stucco. Now that South Florida has tied Las Vegas as the nation’s fastest-tanking real estate market, Puig is bankrupt, with $80 million in debts. His mansion was liquidated for $11.4 million, and his yacht went back to the bank. At Puig’s bankruptcy auction, bidders competed for a necklace studded with 226 diamonds, a Sopranos pinball machine, a 1965 Ferrari, nine designer bikes and other bubble baubles. The billiard table went for $25,000. “It’s amazing how fast it all came crashing down,” says Puig’s criminal defense attorney, Joel Hirschhorn.</p>

<p>In the Paradise Lost days, Hirschhorn worked the white-powder bar, representing Medell</p>

<p>Look times are especially bad in South Florida because of the housing crisis. But overall the state is still growing by about a thousand residents a day. Think about the long-term growth. Don’t believe everything you read in the Wall Street Journal.</p>

<p>"And the best you have for an argument is “This is exactly the kind of delusion I was talking about. Nice.”</p>

<p>Well, I really didn’t feel like taking the time to explain why that is a ridiculous statement. Your homerism is so strong though that I guess I will. For starters, what rankings are you taking about when you say: "“UF in the next 10 years should easily make the leap to top 5-10 public and into the top 30 overall.”? It certainly sounds like you’re referencing US News which is interesting considering you bashed this source at the beginning of your post.</p>

<p>The US News rankings have existed for 25 years and do you know how many times UF has broken into the top 50? A grand total of 7 and the school always just barely makes the cut. It wasn’t even consistently in the top 50 until 2004. You really think it is reasonable to expect that big of a jump after the ranking remained static for a quarter of a century? Was UF not really trying until just recently?</p>

<p>Another thing to consider is that all schools are trying to improve and playing the ranking game, Florida isn’t the only one. The drop in acceptance rate is also pretty much universal for 2008. It isn’t a sign that UF is about to ascend the rankings. I wouldn’t be surprised to see UF move up a little bit, but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see a slight fall either.</p>

<p>MonStar, yours is a very good point. UF has aggressively tried for years to improve its US News ranking and be considered a top national university. I believe until last year, they were throwing money around like crazy to National Merits in order to attract them to the school ( coming with their higher SATs, GPAs, class rankings…etc). Not only where they getting a free ride, but also plenty of spending money. The school was second only to Harvard in the total number of NMFs it admitted…and of course, that statistical fact would be mentioned in every brochure and by all Florida alumni.</p>

<p>With those NMFs not going to UF in hordes anymore, it is very likely that a slight fall may happen, especially when all the other parameters of losing faculty,etc are taken into account</p>

<p>"You really think it is reasonable to expect that big of a jump after the ranking remained static for a quarter of a century? Was UF not really trying until just recently?</p>

<p>Yes…if UF reduces student faculty ratio by 5 or so and increases the percent of top 10% students, they HAVE to move up significantly in the rankings. The rankings are a determined by a formula. The tuition differential and the reduced student body will improve both of these areas within 5 years. I’m not sure why you guys don’t seem to get this, it really isn’t too complicated. My Opinion, you’re a Miami fan, they are trying to move up in the rankings too. Why don’t you go read the formula again! And yes, I have tons of problems with the US News ranking system, so what?</p>

<p>MonStar,</p>

<p>You’re funny. People post rubbish about a school and when someone counters using facts, you call them homers. UF is already, by US News standards, a top 15 public school yet you think the leap to top 10 is impossible over a 10 year span? OK, interesting…</p>

<p>Oh and least you think I am a “homer”, you would be wrong. I call UF out when necessary as well. Reference this thread:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-florida/525618-recieved-sat-score-race-race-134-sat-points.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-florida/525618-recieved-sat-score-race-race-134-sat-points.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Might I also remind you Anti-UF homers out there: in the early 1990’s UF was ranked the 29th overall best public. In 2007 we topped out as the 13th overall best public. This is a gain of 16 in less than 20 years. </p>

<p>With the population increases it is highly probable that UF will crack into the top-10 publics in the next 10 years. Slowly but surely we are moving up the ranks (same with University of Miami).</p>

<p>Also you all should know that the business community and the Florida Legislature have FINALLY figured out how important it is to have quality public universities. Things are being discussed within the top brass to improve the disgustingly low funding formulas. In addition alot of mediocre students who would normally be Community College transfers will now be sent to the new Florida State College System. Needless to say the Class-Size problem is being addressed. Also we have Tuition Differential money that is allowing UF to raise in-state tuition by 40%, and this money is by law being forced to improve the Undergraduate program.</p>

<p>^^</p>

<p>Unfortunately, the Legislature only allows UF, FSU, and USF to use a tuition differential fee. This only improves the standings of some state universities. With the cost of running the state’s university system going up, shouldn’t they just raise the cost of tuition? Florida is already one of the cheapest, if not THE cheapest state to attend college in terms of tuition.</p>

<p>dvm your clearly out of the loop I guess. Because just last session UCF and FIU were also granted Tuition Differential that allows for an increase of up to 30% for the In-state Undergraduates.</p>

<p>For god sake… UF is mediocre to a fault. I live in florida and have bright futures and could be paid to go there. I have a lot of friends who attend there or want to. Yet, I can honestly say all of my smart friends went out of state to Georgetown,Wash U, Penn or whereever. UF cannot attract the smartest students in-state where it has a good rep , let alone from OOS where no one cares about it. Sure is it more competitive now, yes. Yet all schools are and that does not mean it has a"TOP" students or its a top 10 state school…Its academics are ok, its students (by stats) range are mediocre on average, it’s professors are mediocre ect… Florida residents hype it up so much. People become delusional about it. I will reiterate what I said ealier, if you plan to work/ go to school in FL than it is a good choice because of its rep and alumni network, but if you want to go to med school oos or work oos than it can hinder you. That does not mean its impossible to go to a great med school, it just means its more difficult. Also about all this talk about it may be a top 10 state school, even though I will probably get flamed for this I will say it. The only state schools that actually have a significant rep (relevant rep) nationally are Berkeley, UNC, Michigan, and UVA and I guess you maybe can make a case for UCLA and USC. UF is not there and ten years down the road it won’t be.</p>

<p>^ And it also doesn’t hide the fact that its the premier party school and never studying school in the country. :)</p>