Oh well
Looking at the stellar profiles of so many denied OOS kids on this and other threads makes me wonder how long this era of massive application numbers for schools like UVA (and UNC and UMich, etc.) will last. OOS applicants know its part of the deal that the schools must (and should) give priority to in state applicants, but knowing the effort involved in researching a finite list of schools to be able to write credible essays during a busy senior year, why not focus on schools where all applicants are more or less on the same footing - as much as they can be in college admissions, at least - rather than spending (wasting?) time on schools where you do not have the ability to compete with the majority of applicants who will be accepted?
3 Likes
Per long-standing policy, this is the only thread on which the impact of race on admissions can be discussed. Users not members of the Politics Forum will need to join before posting.
And this site is supposed to be a friendly and welcoming place.
2 Likes
Denied OOS 4.0 UW gpa. Top 5% in strong suburban pubic HS. 1540 SAT. 7 APs all 5s. Good EC and leadership but no state level accomplishments. Bottom line is UVa is a really tough admit for unhooked OOS applicants.
2 Likes
Well said.
OOS Accepted - 36 ACT - no GPA/rank (private school) but straight As - good ECs, lots of leadership, multi-sport varsity athlete
2 Likes
Iâve been thinking about this today too, and I think if asked I would advise families to consider RD next year, I donât think we thought enough about it or gave enough credence to the switch to no deferrals this year and the fact that it seems there are actually less RD applications now than EA.
1 Like
I wouldnât assume itâs racially motivated. Another reason some super-qualified kids get denied at schools at this level could also be that the AO see their stats/qualifications and assume these kids would be accepted to at least one ivy, and so would likely choose an ivy over a non-ivy school. So to protect their yield they deny.
@Ilovepasta :
Echols Scholars(and Rodman , which is for the engineers) are purely merit-based honors given to 5% of the incoming class. They are not scholarships. It is usually announced in waves. Last year the first wave was announced about aweek after EA came out: based on D23âs email it was 2/15/23. Rodman comes with special housing(dorm), multiple special resources and support, a small stipend($1000). I presume Echols is very similar(but for the College of Arts&Scences students). There are no pure-merit based large scholarships for freshman (besides Jefferson)âUVA focuses on need based aid.
1 Like
For some schools, maybe, but DeanJ has been very clear that UVa does not yield protect. Rather, there are just that many high stat kids who apply: no room for all of them.
3 Likes
[GVDADABRK2022] Fantastic post. Excellent!!!
1 Like
ok. Still, doesnât indicate it is racially motivated.
Absolutely agree
Wonderfully well said. Very best to you and your daughter.
I agree, and it seems UVA accepts approximately the same percentage each round (EA, ED, RD),. So without âthe bestâ of rhe previous rounds beind deferred and reconsidered with RD, the RD applicant pool would be less competative. A strong RD application would stand out and probably have better chance of acceptance.
I think the whole selection process of UVA is suspect and they are not really giving well qualified waitlisted applicants from ED/EA a fair shake.
Its their game and they make the rules.
2 Likes
I agree. As much as it sucks to have to wait on defer decisions, it is probably a more fair admission practice then just sending a lot of people to the waitlist when they truly have little hope of getting back in.
3 Likes
One cannot time these things like the stock market. The best advice we received was that apply when you are absolutely ready vs rushing in to make it to the first queue. I suspect this year RD acceptance rates are going to be not significantly less than EA/ED rounds because everyone applied in the first queue. Except Harvard (due to obvious reasons) there is a surge in early round applications everywhere. The marginal cost of applying early is approaching zero. So, why not? On the other hand this will translate into a huge population applying early and getting on to the reject, defer, waitlist etc. not-admitted buckets.
1 Like
Thanks for the reply - I hesitate to answer in this particular thread since this is for UVA EA/ED decisions - I may (time permitting) start another thread in a separate forum for this particular topic (college costs) since it is an interesting and important topic.
4 Likes
OOS Admitted
3.85 Uw/4.4 W. 32 ACT / 9 AP (4-5s)
Small All Girls Prep School
4yrs Mock Trial
YIG Governor
Girls Nation
MUN President
Class President
Created and managed online animation project with staff of 200+
Stats are good - but not great. Will take the âholisticâ admissions at face value - sheâs a great kid and a born leader.
2 Likes
Note that UVa is one of the few, maybe only, public university which meets 100% need. Making the parental contribution amount is another story.
2 Likes