<p>I feel for those at the hospital. Eve was pre-med and undoubtedly had made many friends there.</p>
<p>eadad posted the most touching thing I’ve read in a very long time. Hope he doesn’t mind if I link it. It’s Bob Carson’s comments about his daughter. I hope you all take time to read it…</p>
<p>Updated report
"State records indicate both suspects are on parole. Lovett was given a suspended sentence in January for misdemeanor larceny and breaking and entering. Atwater was convicted of felony breaking and entering in 2005 and illegal possession of a firearm in 2007. He also received a suspended sentence.</p>
<p>Interesting, because Atwater’s name (unless there’s another person with his exact same 3 names) shows up on a March 3 Raleigh court date for breaking and entering. I wonder if he didn’t bother to show up for that. Either way, a felony breaking and entering charge doesn’t get you more than 2 years in prison? He should have been locked away in 2007 for good.</p>
<p>The local news is now saying that this guy Lovett (now caught) was involved in the murder of the Duke graduate student, too. I think they’ve also charged him with that murder as well.</p>
<p>"Lawrence Alvin Lovette Jr., 17, was arrested Thursday morning and charged with murder in UNC student Eve Carson’s death. Authorities also charged him in connection with the shooting death of Duke student Abhijit Mahato, 29.</p>
<p>Durham police are now investigating whether Demario James Atwater, who was also charged in Carson’s death, is somehow involved with Mahato’s killing."</p>
<p>I suspect these 2 have zero moral conscience and simply kill for the sake of killing-- no rhyme or reason; they simply have no morals, no conscience, and no respect for human life. I suspect they basically raised themselves, and this is the life they know. It’s impossible for me to fathom, but I doubt they needed any “motivation” to kill.</p>
<p>I speculate that robbery was the initial motivation and like Janie says, they have no moral compass and likely just killed the person they were robbing for the sake of it or not to be identified and without any respect for human life. </p>
<p>The loss of a child is an unspeakable horror. But I feel that to lose a child this way has got to be worse than to sickness or an accidental death. There is a random nature and where one person has chosen to end another person’s life without a care in the world about that person’s life. On top of that, having to think about your child’s final moments and the horror of it all just has to be gut wrenching. </p>
<p>I will never understand how a human being can take another person’s life. Their way of thinking and morality is so unfathomable and it is really difficult knowing there are lots like these people out there who do this sort of thing (too many stories lately of this sort).</p>
<p>soozievt: I agree. I posted on another thread that we have to do something in this country-- not sure how or what-- to work to turn these “at risk” lives around, long before they get to be teenagers-- long before they get to the point where freely killing innocent people is standard fare for them. </p>
<p>Both these guys were out on parole. The prisons are so overcrowded in this country that they let them out as soon as possible. In no way do I feel any empathy for these 2, but I do think there are more out there just like them-- and somehow, this country (local areas at a grassroots level?) needs to step in and somehow get to the “at risk” when they’re really young and turn their lives around in positive ways-- so that they never get to this point.</p>
<p>re post #70 “I suspect they basically raised themselves, and this is the life they know.”: we cannot know this. One suspect was sought at his mother’s day care center. Clearly she is someone trusted by other parents. As horrible as this is, we can make no assumptions as to the quality or quantity of parenting either had.</p>
<p>Thank goodness they have arrested the second person. And I’m stunned to hear they are suspected of being responsible for the death of the Duke grad student as well as Eve Carson. We are apparently dealing with two killing machines. I know that sounds extreme, but that’s how I feel when a person can take a life and with no compunction continue a lifestyle of crime and victimization until they kill again.</p>
<p>Also, I heard the daycare in question belonged to the grandmother. I’m not sure if that has been revised. Frankly, I don’t much care or want to hear (as we undoubtedly will) about their ‘hard’ life. Neither of these men have had it nearly as hard as Eve Carson and Abhijit Mahato and their loved ones.</p>
<p>lorelei: My personal belief is that most (all?) killers are not born that way. </p>
<p>To my knowledge, Lovett was NOT actually found at his mother’s (grandmother’s?) day care center yesterday. I’m not sure where they found him this morning, but I don’t think he was ultimately found there yesterday afternoon.</p>
<p>The local paper actually did have a quote from his mother, who said something about how the kid “fell apart when his adoptive father died.” She claimed she “tried,” but there wasn’t much she could do with him, so she gave up. I have no idea how these 2 grew up, really, but I can guess.</p>
<p>Most people don’t turn into killers when a parent dies, but without knowing how he was raised, I do believe that people, “at risk” or otherwise, have to have a positive force in their youth to keep them on the straight and narrow and, at the very least, instill a moral conscience in them. Otherwise, we have to believe that killers are simply born that way.</p>
<p>ldmom: I agree; I don’t want to hear about their “hard lives” either (which has already been shared in the local paper this morning), and I certainly have no empathy for either of them. I do believe, though, that unless we step up and do something in this country-- not just somehow helping those “at risk” when they’re young – but also stop the ease with which we can access guns in this country-- we will continue with senseless killings just like these.</p>
<p>These 2 should have never been let out of prison on their previous charges.</p>
<p>You make a good point janie. Of course, I’ll need to work this gun control thing out with my parents who are insisting ldgirl accompany them to the firing range so she can get her carry permit. (It’s NOT happening, don’t worry.) </p>
<p>I do think harsher laws with more teeth will accomplish a lot too. No bail and hard time for gun-related crimes, and that includes illegal possession. No special circumstances for 17 year olds who commit murder or gun crimes. Short time on death row, that sort of thing. That these people had extensive records of violent crime and were walking the street is just unbelievable to me.</p>
<p>I am not defending either of the slimebuckets, just not making any assumptions about how their personal character and decisions evolved. Drugs, greed, stupidity, evil, whatever…it is horrible. We cannot know what thoughts they think, how they rationalize what they do and have done. Somehow their brains became wired differently, and they found it possible to do the unimaginable. I look at their pictures, especially the younger fellow, and see evil incarnate. It is such a relief that they are in custody.</p>
<p>I was basically wondering when I asked the question about motivation if they were addicts desperate for money to buy drugs and willing to kill anyone to get it. I suppose it doesn’t matter; I find myself asking ‘why’ because it’s so incomprehensible to me that any person could do that to someone else. </p>
<h2>I found this about Abhijit Mahato’s case. It includes a photo and comments from friends. Obviously another very remarkable and talented young person tragically lost to us all.</h2>
<p>"At a meeting late Saturday morning, Mahato’s adviser, engineering professor Tod Laursen, met with his lab team to talk about Mahato, whom he described as intellectually curious, kind and outgoing.</p>
<p>“He made friends very easily and always had a smile on his face,” Laursen said. “Our research team was particularly close to Abhijit. He was very well read in both poetry and literature, and enjoyed conversation with others about what they were reading.”</p>
<p>“They took some time to remember him and to comment on how gentle and sweet and intelligent and thoughtful a poet and scientist, a very remarkable blend that will be sorely missed,” Moneta said."</p>
<p>Dealing with same issue here. An tragedy like this seems to push people to reflect on their feelings regarding gun control and “right to arms”. My son (junior at UNC) is asking to take gun class and purchase a firearm with carry license (I’m not even sure of the right terminology).</p>
<p>His argument is that the thugs, drug addicts and thieves will always have guns–legal or not. It’s the law-abiding citizens that are the easy marks. My H. and I nor our parents ever had guns of any sort and they scare me to death. I have strongly encouraged son not to pursue this avenue.</p>