USC post/my dad

I commend you for asking this question now, I really do. It says a lot about you.

I think you are very lucky and have an amazingly generous dad. I do think you have been done a bit of disservice in the sense that you seem ill prepared at the moment to grasp the cost of fully supporting yourself. I would suggest you take some time to educate yourself on basic cost of living financing and budgeting as well as starting salaries in your field so that you can understand both what your father has funded and what it will/could cost you on a go forward basis. The best way to thank your father for the gift is to become financially independent and successful in your own field. That doesn’t happen overnight and without help, will likely mean a change in your standard of living. I think you need to do some homework to see what that might look like for you. I think that if a $100 car payment to your father and the loan payment scare you, you may owe it to yourself and your dad to have a really frank conversation about life expenses. Those are drops in the bucket. I suspect though that simply gaining employment and being able to make those 2 payment to your dad would be a huge start in the right direction towards that goal.

To answer your questions, you are in the very very very small minority of being funded like that through grad school and your brother, beyond. I would say it is not at all the norm. You are blessed to have had that advantage. Many families are unable to pay for undergrad without loans and even less, for graduate school and beyond. Many students are forced to settle for less than their first choice of schools to avoid loans or their parents having to take them. Others simply feel that graduate school and beyond should be the responsibility of the student if that is something they want. Others may also want their child to have “skin in the game” to know that their contribution isn’t taken for granted and the child has a vested interest in not only the degree but in finding gainful employment after graduation. Sometimes children that have had everything paid for do not have a sense of urgency regarding employment post graduation and want to wait for the “perfect” dream job versus one that may simply be decent but gets a career started. That wait can go on a long time for some as they may not feel they need to worry about paying their own bills yet.

There is no single answer and certainly no right one, every family is different. If your question is directed towards parents in a similar income bracket as your fathers you may well get a very different response than from a broader, larger audience. What my parents funded for me, versus my husband is quite different. What we will fund for our kids is also quite different (and even different for my kids versus my stepkids) but as a general rule the expectation for us for all of our kids, is that after graduation, you get a job and fend for yourself. Which is tough and new for most but part of the life experience (in our opinion) is suffering a bit and figuring out what you need, learning how to save and to move a career forward to get to the income level and lifestyle you want.

As to your question as to whether most kids would “let” their parents help them out if they wanted to? I think you might get some very different answers depending on the kid and their desire for independence. Some really would rather eat just top ramen than ask for help, or even take it unsolicited.

Congratulations on almost being done! That is quite an accomplishment.

Sure, you’ve coasted all your life if you’ve NEVER been encumbered by financial pressures and have been able to give your studies undivided attention.

Let me see if I got it straight:

Your dad paid 100% of undergrad AND 100% of grad school, and he’s now covering your living expenses and most of your car note for a NEW high end car? Let me guess-- he’s going to be paying the auto insurance, too? Did I guess right?

How old are you? 24?

Most people don’t have the financial safety net you have at 24, armed w a graduate degree.  Many adults at 24 pay their own way, are already supporting kids, drive used cars or take a bus, are fighting for their country and somehow manage to suck it up and have a life.

What difference does it make how well off your dad is. It’s HIS money that he sweated for. I’m in your dad’s income bracket and had to pick my jaw up from the floor over how coddled as adults you & your brother are.

Nearly all kids are potty trained as toddlers. But at 24, you’ve still not MENTALLY moved on to bigboy/biggirl pants. What do u have to afraid of? With your dad pledging to pay nearly all your expenses, you’re barely moving up to “pullup” diapers. You’ve got a Godzilla-sized safety net. Your self-pity is unwarranted.

Wait… you had a tantrum about having to cover part of your car payment as you get out of grad school??? My kids knew they were going to have to support themselves when they finish undergrad. Housing, transportation, insurance, food, etc. I will probably cover health insurance during grad school, but the rest is on them. The older one has launched nicely, with a good job she likes, living across the country from me.

This is similar to the rules my dad laid out for me back in the day. It made me focus in undergrad and helped me build adult skills far sooner than if he had propped me up financially for years. He is doing you a favor that maybe he should have done a while ago.

Thank you so much everyone for your smart advice, commentary and encouragement. I hesitated about even posting it to begin with, but I have seen the great feedback that people have given others on this site. I truly think I am ready now to do the right thing as I prepare for the upcoming chapter of my life! :slight_smile:

Your transition from the Bank of Dad to Bank of America (or whoever you bank with) is a valuable life lesson.

He has provided you a huge head start you should be very grateful for.

Now it’s your time to shine and make him proud.

You got this,

Thank you moderator for moving the question, I am sure that you know a lot more about this board than I do (obviously). And to answer the question about if I have a job lined up, I spent 10 hours two months ago applying to 100 different companies all over the U.S. and a few in London. I so far have 40 job offers. Even I can’t believe it. I will not be able to hold a candle to my dad’s salary, at least not right when I graduate. I have a journalism undergraduate degree, with a minor in political science and spanish and I am graduating from USC with my masters in Strategic Public Relations this May. I am also a former collegiate athlete so I do have some connections in that field. No doctor, though :confused: but I will do the best I can.

And @GMTplus7 I would be careful about assuming that I have “coasted.” I was a college athlete, and if you don’t know, it takes a LOT of time and dedication. I was a part of the state championship team for three years and was a varsity athlete all four years. I was also an athlete at a Division 1 school. That does not happen to everyone. So if you count waking up at 5 in the morning, going to school, having club practice from 3-6:45 right after school, then three times a week having high school practice immediately AFTER THAT from 7-10 pm, then trying to squeeze in homework and studying before sleeping, sure… I coasted. :slight_smile:

So maybe I wasn’t working at Abercrombie after school, but I was still WORKING. And the hard work that I put in did earn me a scholarship (abet not a full ride) to a good university. I worked very, very, VERY hard. So please do not assume anything.

And @eandesmom thank you for your encouraging and thorough post! I took so much away from your words. You have no idea how much it is appreciated.

And @Themclos thank you for telling me I can do it! Sometimes it is our own fear that holds us back. Obviously we are responsible for ourselves, but hearing someone tell me that I will be OK means a lot! Thank you.

@ClarinetDad16 thank you! You are right! :slight_smile: It’s time for me to be a 24 year old! A bit scary though!

Congrats on your degree and the job offers. It is probably going to be hard to choose betwen forty different job offers. Once you do and you have a salary delineated, you can start working on a monthly budget to cover your regular expenses. It will be hard at first, but remember many people who are younger and less educated than you are have been able to figure out how to budget their money and afford housing, food, clothes, entertainment, etc. These things may not be at a level/quality that you are used to, but you are at the beginning of your career with no debt and can build from there.

@NorthernMom61 thanks a lot for the great advice! you are 100% correct. Based on my job offers so far, the salaries are good, but like u said, not what I am used to. Would you recommend I sit down and work out a complete financial plan?

Start by estimating how much will be taken out by taxes, then divide what is left by 12 months to figure out roughly what you have for take home pay. Then you can calculate what you have for rent, food, utilities, clothes, emergencies, saving, entertainment. I am sure there are some personal budgeting websites or books that might be helpful to get you started.

To be honest, I have to agree with those who pointed out that you’ve posted several threads on the same topic. So you are obviously concerned about getting used to living on your own income and within your means. How much your dad earns is not relevant. Listen to those who suggest you work out a budget , understand what your net take home pay will be, and adjust your lifestyle to live within it. Most people at 24 do not start out their careers as company president, making top salary.

We paid for our kids’ undergraduate education, but they each worked and saved and used their own funds once they graduated. They moved, paid utility deposits, insurance payments, car maintenance, etc etc etc. The bank of mom and dad was closed. We are her for support and emergencies, but they learned the value of a dollar. Good luck. You can do it.

Being an athlete takes a lot of work. The difference between you and a low income student on an athletic scholarship is that you could afford to quit anytime you wanted. Students on athletic scholarships (or academic ones tied to GPA) who don’t have the safety net that you do are under a lot more pressure than you were.

Buy? Not subsidize your rent until you get on your feet? You sound like you think your parents are cutting you off, yet they’re only making you pay $100/mo. for a brand new car and repay a $7k loan. And they’ll still cover your living expenses. I don’t understand why you’re complaining. It doesn’t sound to me like you have anything to worry about. Just get a job and add those payments to your budget. If your parents are paying all your living expenses, most of your paycheck will be discretionary income anyway. A couple hundred dollars a month isn’t going to break you.

If you want to learn to afford to live on your own, live within your means. Choose an apartment you can afford on your pay (even if it means having roommates), budget for utilities (heat, electric, water), eat at home instead of going out, buy only what you need, and restrict entertainment to what you can afford. It’s different than what you’ve been doing, but you can do it. I think it will help you fully appreciate all the help your parents have given you and will boost your confidence too.

“hen just pay back the loan. He will cover my living expenses, the rest of the car payments, etc. I guess I am just in shock. I really haven’t ever paid for anything before. I know it sounds stupid. But I’m just afraid. Like what if I can’t do it?! Even though I can.”

You say you have job offers (congrats!). What would make you think that your salary couldn’t cover $100/month and the payback of the loan?

Let me ask the question a different way. Before the car payment / loan situation, what did / do you anticipate your eventual salary going to? Do you have a lot of “fun” discretionary expenses (shopping, restaurants, salon/spa) in your life that you anticipated maintaining?

I do understand your situation because my parents paid for everything (until I got married and at that point was on my own). But I never had to really pay for anything either and had a lot of nice goodies.

Fear??? You were born on third base. With continued financial support from your father, there are no “outs”. You’re going to be “walked” to home base.

My ILs supported one of my husband’s siblings and long story short, she still lives with them at age 50. Not what you want!

Her “failing” was - since she was being supported in a lavish apartment, she spent her paycheck on expensive handbags and jewelry and has nothing to show for it. We begged her to put away money into a 401k or other savings. She was very immature and would rather “play,”

So given your father’s generosity, what you should be doing with your income - since some of the ordinary pressure is relieved (you don’t have to buy work clothing, your car payment is minimal, etc) is put away the max in a 401k and ensure that you also save money on hand. So when the car needs a $400 repair, or you drop your glasses and need to buy new ones, or the microwave breaks and you need to buy a new one, or any of those dozens of things that happen, YOU are the one who steps in and does those things, versus running to dad. Make sense?

I understand a generous father. We could do a lot more for our kids (I have 23 yo twins in different cities) and sometimes we have the feeling - oh, we could just pay that bill for them, it’s no big deal on our income and a big deal on theirs. But they need to have some ownership.

@Aollie24 - congrats on the job offers. First thing you need to do is sit down, evaluate them and decide which will be the best opportunity for you. It might not necessarily be the one that pays the most money (but don’t think that means that money is not important, it is, but a great opportunity at a fair wage is better than a so-so opportunity at a great wage.)

I would spend some time educating yourself how much rent is, food, insurance, etc so you can grasp the realities of the actual cost of supporting yourself. You can do this on your own (there are great websites that can help with this), and you can also ask your dad to sit down with you and help you develop a plan.

The plan is key. You want to prepare a budget. Don’t be surprised if most of your money goes for rent, food, gas, insurance. When it comes time to get an apartment, you likely will not be able to afford the one you would really like. That’s OK - live down for a few years and save some money. Learn to do without.

Candidly, I would also apologize to your dad about the way you reacted when he was getting you a car. Trust me, he will appreciate it. Let him know you have been thinking about this “stuff” and that you would appreciate his advice as you work toward being financially independent.

Is it your plan to live and work in California? If so, I can understand the car. However, if you are looking to move to a city like NY, DC or Boston, then a car is the last thing you need.

Remember, you have been given an incredible gift by your father - your education. And you have a big safety net - which may not always be a good thing. Don’t be afraid to take chances, and don’t be afraid to fail. You can handle it. If you were a D1 athlete for 4 years, then you should understand this. Apply this knowledge to the next phase of your life. Yes, you are immensely privileged. Heck, you have been spoiled. Recognize how well off you are and do not take it for granted. It is no sin to be privileged or spoiled.

You have posted on a public forum, so sit back and relax - you are going to get it from all sides. Read through the posts and pick out the kernels of useful advice. Don’t react to negative comments (that will only beget more negative exchanges) - look for the useful information in all the posts and thank people for those. While the tone of all the posts may not be positive, most of the responders have offered useful information.