What to do about a parent who doesn't spend time w/ kid, always putting friends 1st?

@zoosermom That’s really sad that she didn’t want to be a mother and having kids didn’t make her want to have a relationship with them after the fact. Heartbreaking, really, truly heartbreaking that it wasn’t able to be resolved but just accepting.

I suppose my father could have wanted another life too-- wealth, tons of kids all living nearby asking for his advice all the time, or whatever else- and that’s why he can’t bring himself to appreciate or ever spend time with the family he actually has in life.

@Iglooo Thanks, I will have to find a way to cope with that. Having a kid and never spending time with them definitely isn’t being a parent. I do/did need a father, but I will have to cope with not having that role. Venting here made me feel better in the meanwhile.

Keep in mind that you get a second chance at a good father/child relationship—when you have your own kids. If nothing else, your experiences with your father have taught you how to be a better father yourself. That’s valuable. Meanwhile, it’s time to stop wasting your time and energy wishing for a daddy you’ll never have. He is who he is, and you can’t fix the situation. Get on with life. Lots of us have had problematic relationships with our parents, many much worse than what you describe, but we’ve learn to move beyond them rather than dwell on them.

It isn’t clear to me what you are looking for on this thread. You have rejected every idea for what might be happening or how you might make it better. You yourself have moved far away and are rarely home. What exactly are you trying to get from posting?

Have you thought about what kind of father your dad grew up with? (Is your grandfather living? Does your dad have a relationship with him?) It might help you understand your dad’s behavior. One example–I disliked my dad when I was growing up. He didn’t have much of relationship with us, but he did try to teach us to work around the house/yard–he taught us (7 kids) things like gardening, carpentry, car repair–his duties/hobbies. He always worked and supported us. He was an engineer and not very communicative. He has never told us that he loved us. He never bought my mom presents and was very frugal (cheap) and strict. He didn’t praise us for accomplishments or show interest in our activities/education. However, considering that my dad’s father was an alcoholic who ignored him, whipped him, would sometimes disappear for days, and didn’t always have a job. . .my dad probably thought he was doing a great job. And looking back I understand he did the best he could in the situation he was in with the resources he had at that time. He wasn’t a bad father. Far from perfect, but good in many ways.

Why don’t you print up your first post and send it to your dad? He might not even know how strongly you feel about wanting time/a relationship with him. Do you have other male role models in your life? How is your relationship with your mom? You probably won’t be able to change your dad’s personality/behavior. What you can do it make the best of what you do have (mom, other relatives/friends), and try to understand why your dad acts the way he does. Your situation isn’t good, but it certainly could be a lot worse (abusive, etc.) There are some people who have narcissistic personalities that feed off off praise/recognition. They tend to be extra giving/helpful/generous with strangers/acquaintances, but completely ignore immediate family. That is because they are unlikely to get “warm fuzzies” from simply doing their duty with their spouse/kids at home that they get from making a show of their generosity/helpfulness in public. Does this sound like your dad?

OP, I hope you have good friends who can be your surrogate family. I would also seek out counseling if you have a chance.

@intparent I reread the thread. OP never scoffed at any idea or decided against them. You should leave. There really is no place for you as a source of negativity and cynicism.

You have been abrasive and judgy the whole time.

Having a dad is not always a good thing, I would never want to have a dad like that, I don’t have a dad in my life and I’d rather it stay this way.

Your argument of “at least you have a dad” isn’t valid since I doubt anyone wants someone like that.

Next, you say that maybe op isn’t pleasant. That may or may not be true, but that doesn’t excuse someone of being a parent. Especially when it seems he has other relatives whom he loves very much and love him back.

“What do you want out of this thread” OP asked for suggestions and probably used it as a venting mechanism. Most of us aren’t comfortable telling people how we feel and why. Especially about something like this.

Last, yes op chose a far away school, but why does that matter? His father should be a father, not being close to home is no excuse.

I am moving far from home. I will not be as close to my mom, does that mean she should ignore me when I visit? HeIl no!

Give helpful feedback and stop trying to put down op, as that is what it is being perceived as by him and other posters. Even if it isn’t your goal to look that way.

OP has not rejected any idea, nor has he responded to many. Reevaluate your thoughts before continuing to harass or berate OP.

The OP didn’t scoff or decide against them – they literally just ignored them. You are being taken in…

@intparent How do you know the op didn’t make a note of responses? There is nothing that OP did to offend those that offered help, maybe he is contemplating what is presented in front. There is no reason to attack him for that.

inparent- do YOU have a highly intelligent, introverted, sensitive child on the autism spectrum?
I do and know exactly what this young man is experiencing.
If you do not, you REALLY have NO any idea how difficult it can be for that kind of CHILD to get the attention he craves and needs, especially from a parent who is extroverted and cant or won’t try to take the time to communicate with someone inherently lacking in social skills.
The orphan came here for sympathy and support. Not an instruction manual that you expect will be followed.
I agree with Seniorstruggling, if you cant offer either, then its time to find another thread…
sheesh…

@orphan-
I am sorry for your situation, I wish I could offer something that would magically make it better. People like your father sadly exist, who seem to live to patch up the lives of others or for friends. There are fathers like my dad, who to the world showed his genorosity and good nature, but to his own family could be quite difficult, angry, lashing out and so forth, and I know it could be hard to see the charming, warm man my dad was with other people, and the angry person he could be around the house (my mom and dad’s marriage was a tense, weird mix, perfect definition of a love-hate relationship).

My dad was nothing like yours, though, while he had his faults, some of which I paid a price for, I also can say he was a father, that he was there for us as much as we could be, spent time with us, he never questioned paying for college and yep, he had to put up for when we screwed up, made mistakes…he was the dad who would take me fishing as a kid, because I loved it so, even when it was cold out (he hated the cold), he was the dad who would spend hours with my brother (who followed in his footsteps as an ee) puttering around with electronics, and so forth, despite the fact that he was busy with work, was constantly fixing things around the house and other duties and obligations, he made that time with us, and also very much enjoyed it.Like I said, there were issues there, he wasn’t perfect, but he was a dad in many ways, too.

I appreciate you venting, and I understand it, and the only thing as others have suggested is to try and find common ground with him, find something you both enjoy doing so he doesn’t have the excuse of friends or committments and whatnot. I will say if he has always been like that, then you may have to face the fact he won’t change, you can’t change someone else, even someone you love, and for your sake, I would suggest finding alternates, if you and you mom are close, then foster that relationship, or with siblings. The other avenue is friends, one thing therapists will tell you is that the family you create is often closer and more nuturing than the family you are born into, and I have found that is true.

As far as those telling you things like “he put a roof over your head and food on the table”, I would ignore that, that is the same tired old refrain that has been offered in defense of bad parents. I have heard that used in defense of an emotionally abusive parent, and have also seen it used, sadly often by clergy, to explain away physical abuse as well (like someone very close to me, who was physically and emotionally abused by their father, going for counseling with the local priest and him telling them “you have to pray for and forgive your father, he is the head of the household”…real great advice). Putting food on the table and clothing on the back and a roof over the heads does not make a dad or mom, and that also quite honestly doesn’t necessarily show love, either, being a parent, a dad or mom, is a lot more than that. That is an excuse for poor parenting, and one that quite honestly is one that never should be used, it is justifying something that isn’t the truth, quite frankly. Material things, whether basic necessitiies or frills, don’t replace spending time with the kids, talking to them, doing things with them. If you ever read the memoirs of the kids of the rich and famous, often what they will say is that they would have traded a lot, simply to have their dad/mom there for them (not to say there aren’t the rich and famous who were great parents, there were/are a lot of them). There is a difference between a parent sacrificing financially for the child, and trying to give them brownie points for something that is required.

As they say, it is easy to be a father or a mother, that is a biological thing (or a legal thing, if you adopt a child), being a dad or mom is something far above that, it is showing love in many ways, and yes, it also means putting your own family in the right perspective, it should be family/friends/duty to others, not the other order. I have met people like the OP’s father, and quite frankly, when I see things like that it usually is someone who uses the problems of others, duty to others, to skate away from the family they basically wanted because “you are expected to have a family”, rather than wanting one, what the OP writes strikes me as someone looking to hide away from their own family. It is one thing to be a kind, caring friend who will give someone the shirt off their back, it is another to engross yourself in friends and their issues and problems above the needs of your own family. Guys like the OP’s dad tend to create a self fullfilling prophesy, they tend to gather a bunch of people around them like a magnet, people who are needy and so forth, and it gives them the perfect excuse not to live their life with their family.

Yeah, I know, we are only hearing the OP’s side of things, but to be honest, if even half of what they wrote is true, my feelings would be the same. Put it this way, if you visited a friend, were at their house, and they constantly were going away to help some friend, constantly inviting other people over when you were supposed to spend time together, and otherwise seemed to not really care if you were there, how would you feel? I doubt you would feel warm and fuzzy, you likely would be insulted and would not have much to do with that friend…and a parent is supposed to be many levels above a friend, and the biology is bupkus, with someone like the OP’s dad, take away the biology, take away the ‘duty’ things like food, clothing and a roof over the ir heads, and what do you have? An inattentive person you wouldn’t have as a friend.

Speaking as a father, who has sacrificed for my kid, as has my wife, has done what we can to support his passions, the biggest part of being a parent was the time we spent and still spend with him when we can. When our son comes home, it is a special time for us, while we don’t hove over him and he appreciates time to himself, to detox, to go into the city and see friends, we also spend a lot of time with each other, and that is what it is supposed to be about, everything else I did is what a parent is supposed to do, the time with each other, the sharing, is what to me we are meant to do, it is known as being a family shrug.

@orphan wrote

Ok, well, you don’t know anything other than this reality. You are looking for something different, maybe like you see on TV or read about, but you have no direct experience with how to create this different reality, or how this different reality feels or operates. Don’t assume it’s what you really want.

Instead, you do a lot of fuming and spinning your wheels. We call it “blatting” in our house. It’s ok to blat, but then you need to either shut up or fix it.

I’m leaning towards the former, now. Kinda tired of all the wah wah, frankly. Your life could be way worse. Start appreciating what you’ve got and make the best of it. All your wallowing in the suckiness does you and us no good because my goodness, HE’S not going to change, and YOU’RE not going to change him.

So change yourself.

I still think it’s fine and healthy to vent. As long as you don’t wallow.

^^ Yeah I think the first two pages were venting. After that…

I think some of the other stuff was responding to some ugly posts in an attempt to justify the initial vent. Which I don’t think was necessary, because I think that for those in this situation, learning to acknowledge that we have a lousy parent is a very hard thing to do. Having a safe, anonymous place to practice saying that can be enormously helpful. It’s hard to admit, hard to say, hard to forgive, hard to let go, and hard to not blame yourself - and those things can take decades and professional help to deal with. I’m ok with a 19 year old taking baby steps this way.

@zoosermom:

Thank you, I think your post is wise, the OP is 19, and having gone through therapy, it is very, very hard to admit the problems with parents, to get through the emotions, and the kid is only 19. I also suspect that at least some of those ganging up on the OP are doing so because they have this idea that kids should accept their parents for what they are and any criticism of them is somehow whining or whatnot, that parents somehow are sacred and so forth. Saying things like “count your blessings, you didn’t grow up in a slum” or “count your blessings, he put a roof over your head and fed you” is like telling a rape victim “get over it, the rapist didn’t kill you, so why the big deal”, it is trivializing very real issues and is part of the crap that ‘parents are golden’ and so forth, which is out there far too often. It is funny, I remember when I was younger, before I had kids, when I saw bad parents like that among friends, the emotionally distant parents, the parents who seemed to resent the kids, the parents who didn’t take an active role in their kids lives, and being told “wait until you become a parent”…funny part is I did, and if anything, I am even more critical. than I was back then. It isn’t that I expect parents to be perfect, there is no such thing (want to see a rotten parent? Someone who thinks they are a great parent, I would bet the OP’s dad thinks he is the world’s greatest dad), but when it comes to children, it is the parent’s fault if they don’t pay the kid attention, or even try to parent, someone who is so busy with the problems of others, with the lives of others, and ignores their children, has no excuse…even if they fall short, it is about even trying to be a parent, what the OP’s story sounds like is a parent using the issues of others to avoid being one. When I hear “Did you ever try to get his attention? Did you ever tell him growing up you felt like he wasn’t mindful of you” is blaming the child for the fault of the parent. And yes, at 19, the OP is perfectly capable of talking to her dad, but to be honest, if after all these years the guy is that lost, it is unlikely any talk will help with him,he probably sees there is nothing wrong.

I also blame the mother, one of the things about having two parents like that is they are supposed to help each other be a better parent. There were times when I was tired, worn out, caught up in my own problems, and it was my wife who grounded me about my son’s needs and (gently) reminded me there was more to this than myself…

@OP, it is obvious that this really hurts you. If you can, when you go back to school, I would recommend talking to a counselor, they are there for that, and they may be able to put it all in perspective. It is obvious the way he is hurt you, that you feel like he let you down as a parent, the posts you put on here show that. While in an ideal world, he would miraculously see the light, the reality is he likely won’t, and others are correct that all you can do is work on yourself. The key here is getting at your feelings and acknowledging them, then finding a way to move forward. In the end, you are going to have to realize that it is unlikely he will change, that to do so he would have to, and to also acknowledge to yourself that expecting him to change is a fool’s errand. It is like trying to deal with someone who is mentally unstable and treating them like they are rational, you will be disappointed every time. You need to acknowledge the way he is, and find the things you need going forward to be able to deal with it. In the end, he likely will be the one who loses out, because among other things, IME people like your dad, when they no longer are the there to be used by others, will find that many of his ‘friends’ are not there, and he won’t have the family there, either, having driven them away. I wish you luck, and again, find a counselor to work with, I promise you as hard as it is, it helps, whether your parent was a great parent with some issues, like I faced, or a not so great parent:)

Thanks to those with helpful and kind words, especially @SeniorStruggling @PokeyJoe @doschicos. It’s nice that some folks out there understand and it’s nice to hear that crappy parents made people in your lives better parents to their own kids.

I’m not sure if my school has free counseling, but I’ll have to check. He is losing me, and losing his change with me for sure, and probably is addicted to the kiss butt admiration he gets from friends/strangers for doing for them what normal parents would do for their kids. His loss though. He could have had a family and he could have had grandkids, but he doesn’t and missed out on that chance.

Venting aside, I wanted to find a way to get my father to start acting like a parent- the way he acts to everyone else. He’s a charitable person, not a total jerk, so I couldn’t help but hope I could find some way to show him the value in family time. There will always be some dire need on earth, but a friend having broken up with a boyfriend/got fired/etc. shouldn’t trump family every time. There probably is little I can do after all, he probably is really addicted to brown-nosing friends who use him and kiss his butt all the time. I see my relatives and friends with normal families that can tolerate spending an hour in the same room and even value that time, and it’s soul crushing.

The screen name I chose was a vent and because everything else was already taken. :smiley:

Hang in there, @orphan. Focus on building your own inner strength and building your own “family” of support. Family doesn’t have to be biological. Many of us find friends and partners to provide that love and support we all need. Focus on continuing and strengthening your relationship with your mother. Sounds like she might need it as well. When you visit home, make that time special with her, things you two can do together. Perhaps your dad will wake up and realize he’s missing out. Maybe, maybe not. However, as hard as it might be, set your expectations low but do keep patience and forgiveness in your heart. Part of moving from childhood to adulthood is realizing that adults are human, too, and have weaknesses and shortcomings. Don’t let this lack of a relationship with your dad define you and don’t let it make you bitter. Although his lackluster parenting effects you, remember its not because of you. It’s a reflection on him and his limitations.

All the Us I’m aware of DO provide some free counseling services and it is already paid by all students’ fees and available via walk in or appointment. I gree it would be wise to use a school counselor to figure out your most positive and constructive options in working toward a better relationship with your dad.

Um, no. It’s not the same at all. That’s ludicrous, imo.

This kid was not beaten, he was not raped, he was (and is) ignored and neglected. How one copes with being raped and killed and how one copes with being neglected and ignored are very different.

My goodness, how can you not see that?

Perspective is needed here.

To the OP-do you really want that brownosing relationship you see your dad having with his friends? Does that look healthy or authentic to you? It sounds like you’re starting to realize you want different things in your intimate relationships (I don’t mean sexual, I mean intimate), and your dad isn’t capable of providing that for you.

I feel like I’m beating a dead horse here, but you can not make him into something he is not. You will continue to be miserable. The only thing you have control over is yourself and how you react to situations. You have no control over other people.

It would be good for you to reframe this-instead of it being soul crushing, make what you see in these families a goal for yourself. Not for your dad. For yourself. It will give you positive focus and energy that you can pour into making it happen as you become an adult.

You can pick a spouse that has a close, loving family and be welcomed into it. You can become an involved, loving parent someday (don’t rush that part, though), you can become a mentor to kids who are neglected like yourself. There are so many good ways to get what you are missing in your life that have nothing to do with your father.