<p>ibdad:</p>
<p>any time anyone posts, there is bound to be a (defensive) parent with a kid at the school. I bow to your expertise. </p>
<p>At least Alexandre hasn’t chimed in. :D</p>
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<p>Not really. It wasn’t until this year that students could get into Ross before their junior year, and even now it’s a sophomore entry. The Pre-admit thing for freshmen only allows about 80 students the assurances of being admitted as sophomores. Most Ross students go through the regular process.</p>
<p>That said, I agree that it’s surprising that someone with the opportunity to go to UCB at in-state prices would look into going to U-M at out of state prices. “Why” is a valid question, although perhaps the question could have been asked a little less sneeringly than the OP seems to have meant it. Heh. </p>
<p>ibdad is right; if memory serves there are generally around 600 Californians undergrads enrolled at U-M, and some number of them (maybe a good number?) had to have been admitted to UCB.</p>
<p>Thanks Xellis: I hope my daughter too is as apreciative of my efforts.</p>
<p>linkinpark14: I don’t think my child would have reacted like that, it depends on the upbringing and the education.</p>
<p>It is public forum and everyone has the right to start threads, if you don’t want to participate then you are free to not read.</p>
<p>hoedown:</p>
<p>In our HS, the few kids who apply to Ann Arbor are in the top 5-10% of the class; the top ~5% are nearly all accepted at Cal and UCLA so they have no reason to look elsewhere. The kids accepted at UMich are also accepted at Santa Barbara & Davis. In essence, UMich is a safety for top kids in our town.</p>
<p>IMO, the OP should’ve asked a more relevant question: At $40k per year OOS, does UMich provide nearly 2x as much value as the UCs? Obviously, “value” is in the eye of the beholder (and pocketbook).</p>
<p>I’m confused here with people posting that I should not help my daughter pickup colleges. Can you tell what is wrong with the list I picked.</p>
<p>She wants to major in Comp Science and minor Pre Med as she would like to go for Medicine.</p>
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<li>HYPMSC</li>
<li>U. Penn, Columbia, Olin</li>
<li>Brown, UCB, CMU</li>
<li>Cornell, Duke, JHU</li>
<li>Northwestern, U. Chicago, WU. St Luis, USC</li>
<li>UCLA, UCSD</li>
<li>UCSB, UCI, UCD</li>
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<p>I listed ‘Yale is her choice college’ and Harvard she would like to attend.</p>
<p>What is wrong with MIT/Stanford/CIT with the best CS program I know of other than UCB/CMU?
I really like the Olin philosphy so why not I suggest it to my daughter.</p>
<p>Those are the colleges I would like her to really work for. All other colleges are up there for generating choices and for safeties.</p>
<p>Where I’m going wrong here?
Please add suggestions instead of attacks.</p>
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<p>We do an admitted student survey periodically but I have never dug down into the data at this geographical level. I am sure my colleagues in the admissions office who travel regularly to the area have a better feel for this than I do. I hesitate to conclude your town is typical, because those 600 kids have to come from somewhere and I know some of them are from Southern California. When U-M goes to the Rose Bowl, we always have a prospective student event that’s pretty well-attended. Maybe your high school/town is exceptional in only having a few student apply, and those applying all considering U-M a safety. Somewhere in Southern California there are some non-top (yet still admittable) kids applying, or some top kids who bleed maize and blue.</p>
<p>Of course, this doesn’t take away my surprise that some people do elect to spend (as you note) twice as much for a similar product.</p>
<p>I was surprised at defense against U-M from so many people as at my D’s school also where 40% of students matriculate to Ivies or equivalent top colleges, U-M have never been a college to be considered but UC-B, LA and CMU are.</p>
<p>bbayou,</p>
<p>I also bow to your intersting posts and respect your viewpoints. After all, your location is “Southern California”, your viewpoints are understandable also.</p>
<p>As a parent, I do believe we make a right decision for UMich. I pass this information and hope to encourage more Califonia kids out of bubble if any chance available and financially OK. Go to whatever colleges as good as UCB and UCLA and return to the golden state for a nice career and wonderful life style.</p>
<p>Also,I am not sure but I believe UMich doing the OOS admission by region or by state. Consider the California students are only 7-8% of the UMich OOS that is lower than the California 10% national population. California might be considered a “Under Represented State” and might have a little bit edge in UMich admission. At least, easier to get out of wait listing. I may be wrong,just a good guess.</p>
<p>Your list looks fine. No one is bashing your list, and you seem to be missing the point. </p>
<p>People are flaming you because your basis of what universities are good, seems to be more or less based around prestige rather than content. You think Ivy’s are greater than others not because of specific programs that they’re known for (the one that jumps into my mind is Wharton for U-Penn) but because they are in the Ivy League. If you were a student, people could pass that off. But as a parent, don’t you think you have a duty to research schools that might be a better fit for your daughter than just prestige alone? If your daughter wants to go to Yale, all power to her. But if you’re forcing her to make a choice out of some select Universities that might not even complement her style, then that’s just bad parenting. </p>
<p>The fact that you think Brown is better than U-M for engineering is an indication of that. The fact that you think Brown has better job placement because it’s an Ivy, is another indication of that. And the fact that you seem to believe that U-M engineers are restricted to just engineering classes, while Brown’s liberal arts approach gives more way, is just more to add to the fire.</p>
<p>ParenOfIvyHope, taking interest in your daughter’s education is indeed a very good sign of a concerned parent. Your idea of guiding her in selecting the colleges/universities to apply to, is indeed very commendable. But pardon my saying so, your intention of starting the thread, by singularly identifying one of the best universities (UMich) in the country, and comparing it with the colleges and universities of your choice, is simply baffling! Would you please clarify, what you would like to learn from the replies to your original post?</p>
<p>IvyParent: the NUMBER one criteria for med school is gpa, and if you are strategic, you’ll encourage your D to attend a school in which she can maximize her gpa, which is not necessarily the Ancient Eight. Majoring in CS may not be the way to go (med schools don’t care about major, but humanities kids do better %-wise than to science majors). Attending competitive schools like MIT is NOT a strategic move, nor is attending Johns Hoplins undergrad. Cal and UMich are extremely competitive, also. Sure, the top kids at MIT, JHU, Cal and UMich can literally write their own ticket, but getting to the top tier of those schools takes a kid with extreme ability.</p>
<p>Think about the competition for med school. If your D is not accepted into a grade inflated school (there is one on each coast), a lower tier UC or Univ of Pacific could be the best strategic choice to maximize gpa for med school. In the bigger picture, comp sci just doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Okie dokie. Basically, I was trying to say what Cvjn said. </p>
<p>And as for your list, it’s a fine list, but it has waaaaaay too many schools. It’s fine for you to suggest schools to her, but don’t make her to apply to the ones you like but she doesn’t.</p>
<p>California is not considered “underrepresented” at Michigan. If the numbers seem low given the state’s population, I am certain it is for the reasons presented in this thread–better education available cheaper near home.</p>
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<p>I think this just illustrates how hard it is to draw broad conclusions from a high school or two. Things vary. I am sure that almost any admissions counselor can tell you about visiting a city and having completely different receptions at two different high schools who are otherwise similar in quality. At one school, your institution may be “hot;” and at the next you’re pretty far down everyone’s list.</p>
<p>ParentOfIvyHope: let your daughter decide for herself you psychopath. You expect her to apply to 20 schools?! Wow. You care way too much about a school’s ranking. I love this though: If your daughter got into the University of Chicago (a school you said she really likes), you would refuse to pay for it; YET, if she were accepted to Harvard (a school she doesn’t like, but YOU do), you would pay for it. Both schools are very similar in price. That just blows my mind. Are you going to college or is she? You need to stop being a pyscho bltch and let your daughter go where she wants to.</p>
<p>On one side most people say why do I’ve a list of 20 schools and on the other hand they start yelling if the thread is started to ask a simple; why will anyone living in California think about sending their children to U-M.</p>
<p>I would like to cut down any college only after due consideration.
People on an other thread from Brown vs U-M informed me U-M is a very superior Engineering Institute.</p>
<p>So that will increase the list of my schools by 1 more. So I simply ask what might be the reason for a california student to consider U-M.</p>
<p>Since then I can cut U-M from the list.</p>
<p>U-M is a superb school. Just because it’s in Michigan is not a reason to cut it from the list. However, let your daughter consider the schools. She will be the one living there, after all.</p>
<p>That is no reason snoopyiscool as all other schools on the list are superb school.</p>
<p>The point is if there are comparable schools in California then why there is any sense in applying to U-M if people are asking to cut down lists of colleges to apply.</p>
<p>I think people defy logic and come to rehtoric statements.</p>
<p>What do you want me to say? “Here’s what you do”? I can’t do that; only your daughter can. Give her the list and ask her to choose the ones she likes best, maybe even adding different ones that she seems to fit with. </p>
<p>I can only give you advice, I can’t tell you what to do.</p>
<p>But that is no advice.</p>
<p>You have not given any good reason. If you who seems to know a lot about the college cannot provide any good reason to why my daighter need to consider U-M at all then how do you think she will be able to make this decision.</p>
<p>Oh I see from the name???</p>