By the way, Jerry Sandusky wasn’t even the PSU DC when most of the incidents happened. He was already retired. They didn’t need him to win games. Kind of shoots a few holes in that routine about covering things up to win games doesn’t it.
Look it up.
In wiki, if you want.
@Hanna absolutely agree.
I think the point that eludes a few here is that focusing on that point as a constant response to others who want to talk about the actual issue at hand seems like an apology or an attempt to deflect, or something other than the response one would expect, and that is “holy cow! If that’s true then that place has a big problem at the institutional level, and they need to fix it.”
Sure it happens elsewhere. But when it was happening routinely at Oklahoma the heat was justifiably focused on … Oklahoma. Yes?
Yes.
Returning to the original thread question, I don’t know that I would tell a young woman who was otherwise perfect for Baylor to avoid Baylor and go to Alabama or Clemson or another football powerhouse in its stead. I don’t actually know whether she’s any safer there. On the other hand, I certainly would not argue with a parent who wanted Baylor off the list.
@hanna " I don’t know that I would tell a young woman who was otherwise perfect for Baylor to avoid Baylor"
I agree with that. But I would highlight the situation to her, and probably suggest a series of questions she might ask on her school visit to assess the current safety situation and what has changed.
If people are looking for a similar situation, IMHO Colorado under Gary Barnett comes the nearest to Baylor in terms of covering up rape and sexual abuse. The irony about Barnett is that he was brought in to clean up Colorado after Rick Neuheisel got them on probation.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/20/sports/sp-colorado20
I’m with @CaliCash on this one. I work with a woman who has been through the whole ordeal four times and works as a volunteer at our local rape crisis center.
Her first piece of advice when someone calls in: “Do NOT go to the police.” The admiration and trust of police is not shared at all by those on the front lines of the issue. Imagining them behaving otherwise will not make it so.
To the extent colleges are known for covering up sexual assault crimes, that would seem to be a reason for these cases to be handled by the criminal justice system and not colleges.
baylor medical school? yes in a heartbeat(kind of a pun since they are world renowned for heart surgery)
undergrad sure why not. if I had a daughter I would want her to stay away from frats and jocks. but that is at any school.
It is unfortunate these things happen and it shouldn’t happen to anyone regardless of where they are, what they are wearing, who they are with, what they are drinking and where they are at. Men need to learn meaning and consequences of word NO.
However, parents can’t ignore the fact that college sexual assaults are linked to athletes, alcohol and off campus late night frat parties at private residences in almost 99% of the cases. No matter where you are sending your daughters, no matter how good college policies are, advice your daughters to avoid known dangers. Even if college is 100% supportive and laws strict for the assault, no one can change what happened, there is no unraping for a rape.
For foreseeable future, no other campus is safer than Baylor and no other administration is going to be more sensitive towards girls. It’s a matter of their survival. It’s atheletes and boys in general who need to be careful going to Baylor as there can be reverse discrimination and wrongful accusations may be taken as gospel because administration is trying too hard to do the right thing.
@167 "I work with a woman who has been through the whole ordeal four times and works as a volunteer at our local rape crisis center.
Her first piece of advice when someone calls in: “Do NOT go to the police.” The admiration and trust of police is not shared at all by those on the front lines of the issue. Imagining them behaving otherwise will not make it so. "
I’m sorry, but anyone who works at a rape crises center - whether in a paid or volunteer position - and advocates for victims NOT to go to the police needs to be fired. No wonder victims are afraid to come forward. While the justice system is a far cry from perfect, it certainly won’t get any better if victims are encouraged not to tell the only entity that should systematically advocate for them.
I was standing in a TSA line the other night and behind me were two girls carrying a bunch of stuffed animals. I asked them where they went to school and they said Baylor. So I asked them about the school and they said they feel safe and don’t hang out with football players.
Now these were two of the least mature college kids I’d ever run into (really, TAKING your stuffed animals on vacation because they wanted to go?), but they seemed to understand the situation.
They were probably “emotional support” stuffed animals.
@twoinanddone , should a kid have to avoid 85 people at their school just to feel safe? as in, physically safe?
we’re not talking about the prison yard here. we’re talking about a college campus … a private one at that. people are paying handsome sums of money for their kids to attend. imagine if the brochure said, “and we take campus safety very seriously. there are emergency phones strategically placed throughout campus, there is a 24-hour emergency hotline, there are counselors available on a drop-in basis, our university police are patrolling campus 24-hours a day, and we strongly discourage our students from spending any time around the members of the football team. We take your child’s safety very seriously here at Baylor.”
yeah, I guess they do understand the situation.
You don’t need to avoid them on campus. You just need to avoid going into their apartments to feel physically safe, assuming these allegations turn out to be substantiated.
Well, there are more like 120 football players (only 85 on scholarship) on a D1 team My daughter is an athlete at her school and can hang out with football players if she wants to, and doesn’t sometimes. Her roommate dates a football player so D comes into contact with a lot of them, attends parties with them. I’m not concerned.
I don’t think all football players are crazed, raping maniacs. Many football players are honor students. I don’t think Tim Tebow presented a risk to the girls at UF, but Aaron Hernandez? Yeah, he was a bad guy. Sen Cory Booker was a scholar athlete at Stanford and a Rhodes scholar, and went on to Yale law. Was he a saint? I don’t know, but don’t prejudge him and would be happy if my daughters hung out with football players like him. If they avoid all football players, they are going to miss some good guys.
Do you think there is any college in the US (or the world) that doesn’t have people who have been convicted of crimes attending? That there aren’t people at Harvard or Stanford or Smith or BYU who are dangerous, who do drugs, who think they are better than others and exert power? Would you send your daughter to a military academy where there are often cases of rape and cruelty to the female cadets? I would (and almost did) but I’d make sure she was prepared.
I prefer to teach my daughter how to be careful, to travel in groups, to watch their drinks at parties. I’m not going to rely on a school to control their teams, although I do expect them to do that.
“we’re talking about a college campus … a private one at that.”
A conservative Christian one at that.
Baylor fired the Associate Director of Football Operations DeMarko Butler on Feb 15, about a month after he was hired.
Why you ask?
For sending inappropriate text messages to a teenager (considered an adult in Texas law). His twitter account apparently held multiple Bible verses…
Also in February, an assistant strength coach Brandon Washington was also fired after being arrested for getting caught in a prostitution sting in Waco.
Both men were hired recently by the new football coach Matt Ruhle. Hmmm… 2 staffers hired by the new guy apparently didn’t get the message that things were changing at Baylor. Not a good sign, might be too early to declare they’ve turned the corner and it’s a new day at Baylor?
I almost sent my kid to the University of Montana. She would have been class of 2012. While I doubt she would have had any dealings around the football team/players I do know when reading about the issues there I was glad she picked a different school.
Is it just me or does anyone else feels that all of these problems point to athletic departments in colleges. Either to current athletes, or to athletic department employees who are ex-athletes. Among athletes, mostly football stars doing things and their coaches ignoring or hiding them so they can keep winning. College football has a very questionable culture.
Keep giving them full rides, royal status and waivers to meet academic standards and this is what you get. Mix their delusion of grandeur with alcohol, frat clubs and fan girls and all you get is trouble.
Not saying all footballers are like that but all creating issues are footballers. Not saying it can’t happen to any girl but all of these girls used to party with footballers. Their is a clear link.