<p>Heart surgery of any kind is a big deal to my mind.</p>
<p>In our family, every family member is in the waiting room when another is having any kind of surgery. We are the large family there talking way to loud, with food and visitors arriving at all times :"> And don’t try to have a procedure and not tell the rest of the family, or you will hear about it for year ;)</p>
<p>totally misunderstood me. Naturally, yes, everyone gathers for such a major surgery. But it was all the stuff leading up to it and…well, I guess in my family we just don’t carry on like that. When Dad had his open heart surgery, we chose to be well informed and go with the positve thoughts camp and yes, we were all there all day and way into the evening. </p>
<p>Your dad obviously was level headed about the surgery. I have a relative who is fond of declaring she WILL NOT do this or do that when it is clearly in her best interest to do so, with less risk than heart surgery. I can easily see a similar situation with her acting like Zeke. </p>
<p>Look at the parents caring for parents thread to see adult children having discussions and jumping through hoops before a loved ones procedure. </p>
<p>"In our family, every family member is in the waiting room when another is having any kind of surgery. We are the large family there talking way to loud, with food and visitors arriving at all times And don’t try to have a procedure and not tell the rest of the family, or you will hear about it for year "</p>
<p>Thanks. You are the ones overlooking the signs limiting family members and overwhelming those of us from out of town trying to find a quiet place to hunker down for the 18 hours of surgery
… I was the one crying in the corner, not every patient has a huge local family available to dominate the surgical waiting area…
Yeah, but hooray to you for your great family values.</p>
<p>One of my difficulties navigating this life is that I often do not understand what another person’s tone is and how it is to be taken.
dragonmom–I have no idea if you had a horrid and unforgivable experience or if you are saying that you do wish you were part of a larger close knit family.</p>
<p>My BFF and were talking today about how of the 3 times her H was hospitalized she did not call anyone but her S until the last time when he was dying. I did talk with her over the time of the hospitalizations but she did not call me first. We are alike as when my H was hospitalized last winter I did not call anyone but our two kids. I forced myself to ask his friends to visit when he was out of the woods. </p>
<p>Some people need their group of others and some of us want to hunker down alone. </p>
<p>It is all Ok. But if you wanted others and did not have them, then that is not a good thing.</p>
<p>Sounds nuts, but if my H or S or D died I would want to roll into a ball and call no one at all.
But I would have to as others are part of their life and I would just deal with it.</p>
<p>Horrid experience.
Went in for what should have been 5 days, left 6 weeks later. </p>
<p>So very awful. Hope you are OK now.
At least as much as humanly possible.
Last winter began with a good GF’s BIL dying suddenly. Then my BGF’s H dying and I was there nearly every day with real food for close to 3 weeks. I was planning the food for his memorial when my H went in and had a serious gallbladder surgery where they aborted as his BP wa 70 and managed a second surgery that was successful. Think of the biggest zucchini that has gone black and that is what they took out.
It was a blur of a winter.
I hate hate hate hospitals but spent nearly 5 weeks mostly every day there…
I realized what it meant to be “exhausted” for the first time and it took a few months for the utter fatigue to leave my body and soul.</p>
<p>So happy to see Drew be the responsible, mature, thinking individual. Sometimes he seems to be the only one in this family! Yes, the trip to Wyoming was silly but thank goodness that Drew talked some sense into Amber and she didn’t stay. Ryan is trouble with a capital T and from her past experience with him, she should know this. </p>
<p>I won’t be surprised if Julia and Joel get back together, but I also won’t be surprised if they don’t. </p>
<p>The storyline with Hank’s ex and his obnoxious daughter is annoying. The ex’s pronouncements and ultimatums are over the top. Come on, Hank, wake up and speak up for yourself!</p>
<p>Could so do without the story of Hank and Sarah and the annoying daughter. I liked that Drew was so sensible - although the entire trip to Wyoming and back was stupid. I thought they did make a big deal of the heart surgery - but it was nice to see how different people dealt with the stress of something big like this.</p>
<p>Does anyone think Amber will give up the baby for adoption? Nothing in their history points to this (keeping/having a baby) being a good idea. I don’t ever see her at work anymore, she is always in her apartment when mom or Drew pop by. Are her uncles just paying her not to come in? How will she afford an infant? Her mother has no money either. I hate when shows like this declare that it’s wonderful after all that she’s having a baby. Yes, a baby is a wonderful thing, but it isn’t always easy or pretty for the mom. Sometimes the most generous thing you can do is give him/her up to a family who can give the baby a better life.</p>
<p>And so far no mention about whether Amber has health insurance… ha, that’s one of our big topics on these threads, and they skipped over it 
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<p>No way she will place the baby for adoption. Of course people will come to her apartment outside of work hours: she’s not there during work hours, even if they don’t show her there.</p>
<p>Amber is what, 20? 21? She is certainly not the only working single mother with a baby. Yes it will be hard but I think you are underestimating her. She has a great support network in place with her family nearby and that is wonderful, but she will be the mother of this child.I think that if she decided she didn’t want to parent, she would have had an abortion, but she wants this baby. Unfortunately since this is the last season, we won’t get to see how it works out!</p>
<p>Comments, anyone?</p>
<p>Why did Crosby leave on the motorcycle?</p>
<p>Frustrated, acting out, company in trouble.</p>
<p>This was not such a good episode. The late scene between Kristina and Zeek was good, and the speech Julia made to Sydney (in which we know she pulled back from announcing that she would never get back together with Joel), and the scene between Hank and his ex-wife was almost good (I think it needed a little more development). But 2-1/2 good scenes is way below the Parenthood norm. </p>
<p>I also liked Ruby’s crack about Sarah’s perfume, but that could have been any snotty teenager on any sitcom. And I like the idea that we are going to explore Max’s sexuality, but roll my eyes a little that it’s going to involve an impossibly beautiful girl who looks and acts like she is 28 (unless that turns out to be part of the story).</p>
<p>The plot point about not having Oliver Rome under contract personally – that’s just ridiculous. I know very little about the music business, and I know that you have every key contributor under contract personally. In fact, I think it’s the norm only to have a contract with the key people, not “the band,” but to make certain that the key person owns the rights to “the band.” They deserve to lose the business if they didn’t do that. (Crosby deserves to lose the business for apparently never having looked at the contract Adam drew up.) For verisimilitude, that’s right up there with everyone deciding it’s OK for the students to be cooking lunch every day at the Bravermans’ instant charter school.</p>
<p>Well, I looked it up, and the actress who plays Dylan, Ally Ioannides, is officially 16. I am not certain I believe that, – someone at her management company may have “accidentally” written down the wrong year for her birthday – but she clearly isn’t 28.</p>
<p>So Crosby can crash and die? Was that first crash a bit of foreshadowing? Or is this show a happily ever after show so that there can be a crash, but no death?</p>
<p>Yes, Ally is only 16. She’s a theatre actor from Utah who has been performing since she was a young child. She got her Equity card when she was about 10 or 11. </p>
<p>I thought the episode was very fragmented and not very good. A few good moments but a pretty poor effort for a final season episode, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Agreed. Not the best effort.</p>
<p>Agreed. Just very ho hum. </p>