Peer rating is only 20% of USNWR ranking methodology. Here are the details:
That is true for the “Best Colleges” list. For major specific rankings like the “Best Undergraduate Business Programs” list, they say:
The undergraduate business program rankings were based solely on peer assessment surveys.
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Ahh, got it, thanks!
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Maybe why they don’t move (it didn’t appear to me) as much as the school rankings.
I think Jef’s answer was specific to business schools within a university (or individual majors).
Have you heard of US NWR using the same criteria in that article for majors/colleges within a university? I would love to see that sort of data, e.g. persistence and outcome by major, or within the business school of a university.
For example, I would love to see data showing how many kids going into a direct admit business program actually graduate from that program in four, five, six years. Similarly, how many kids going in pre-business end up graduating from that business program?
Edited to add: I didn’t see the couple posts above when I posted. Didn’t mean to pile on, but I would love to see this sort of data!
I don’t know how anyone could possibly collate that information you are hoping for. Your best potential data on those points probably comes from career outcome percentages in surveys.
The reality as you well know is no school will place you in a job or graduate you without your own effort as part of that process. So any data is entirely dependent on those students. And it would probably skew higher to the smaller privates who are going to counsel students more individually than the state schools.
It’s the one thing I remember the most about my own graduate school experience - people being very annoyed at career services for not having a job for them without any real effort of their own to get there. If anyone spends $120-400k for undergraduate education and expects the school to automatically place them because they graduated from the school then they should spend more time on those factors and less on what rank the school is. Or frankly expects the school to graduate you at all without your own effort. Some of the recent P&Q data points are really instructive on those points - I can vividly imagine students at a top ranked school annoyed they didn’t get the automatic high paying great job they believed would be there by simply attending the school in the first place and you can see those survey results. Nobody cares about your high school stats the moment you enroll. But there is a lot of entitlement going in. Fit so underrated by those chasing rank.
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As is often the case in life, many things are about expectations. I’m sure there are kids from top schools that assumed they would be hired by top bank or consulting firms and that are then surprised by the outcome of their career search. I’m guessing that schools like TCU are doing a good job of figuring out where their students will be successful in the job search, and then getting their students excited about those options. So, while the individual career success is individual dependent, the schools can and should be doing a good job highlighting opportunities and managing expectations.
I have found college scorecard to be a good source for salary information, with the caveat that not all schools report by major. https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/
What I would really like to see is the persistence information and graduation rates, broken out by college/major. Certainly individual success in college is based on your individual effort. But there may also be some patterns in results. Some majors (at some schools) have “weed out” classes. It would be helpful to know how many kids are weeded out and when that occurs in the college process. Of course, it is possible that a lot of this will trend along financial/selectivity lines. Wharton might weed out kids who can’t be successful before they enter the school, whereas a school that admits 95% might have to help a freshman or sophomore that can’t handle basic math to find a major that doesn’t need math.
Hi all! At least 4 Big10 announcing today (I think). Good luck to everyone!
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The Wisconsin thread is getting snarky 
Sure is! I have zero computer skills so I got left behind when everyone started looking at the html code. Gosh I really hope UW announces tonight!
I’m trying to avoid that thread altogether until we get to the decision time.
Maryland board just popped. Some kids are getting decisions. S24 won’t be home for a while … honestly it’s probably better if he doesn’t get home until they are all out. More painful to open one, then wait an hour, open another, etc.
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Is University of Michigan for sure tonight as well?
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Michigan decisions are already out. (started at 3 eastern, I think)
Maryland started at 4pm eastern.
Illinois in an hour at 4 central.
Wisconsin is the wild card.
Friday PM is like when they fire people. It’s the wrong time.
Sure - they want the weekend to rest and hope that people who don’t get in calm down b4 getting in a panic and calling.
But still - it’s wrong to give bad news on Friday when you go home.
Agreed. When I did employment law advising, we always said fire on a Wednesday so the person can get started looking for a job the next day. You do not want the fired employee to go out drinking on a Friday night! It’s kind of the same with high school students … you want them back focusing on the day-to-day homework/sports/school not spending Friday night with wild emotions.
There is a very good reason so many colleges announce decisions on Friday afternoon (explained to me by an AO who volunteers in the same college advising organization as I do)… they are closed until Monday!
That avoids them getting flooded with calls from students and parents who didn’t get admitted. The vast majority of these are knee jerk reactions stemming from frustration and disappointment. Once the weekend has passed, they have had time to come to terms with the decisions and have a cooler mind. The number of calls coming in on Monday (also a school and work day) is far, far less.
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Brilliant!
That’s what I wrote - they don’t want them calling in.
But it’s when people are fragile - like getting fired from a job.
But yes, they hope by Monday people settle down.
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Call in? Parents will full on go to the Admissions Office in person.
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