<p>also to counter nomad on ‘what economics’. i’d say tht all ur ideas about investing in tech etc. are great. but there is something called a balanced budget. in simple terms - u cant spend what you dont have…
if spendin money was so easy, dont u think the government would have printed more Rs. and fed all the poors forever???</p>
<p>Nope. They would have made a few more warheads.</p>
<p>which is alright because warheads to help in self-defense and political leverage. Also, it improves your negotitation power for issues relating to world trade coz no1 wants a nuke power to go bankrupt</p>
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When you make it mandatory, it ceases to be charity. It becomes tax.
Unless we favour one stream over another, the general party populace will be quite adequate. The world doesn’t limit quotas for sciencey or artsy people, and it still goes round.
Laloo is not illiterate, sir - he has a law degree! Of course Rabri Devi is a whole different case. Whatever, if you verify someone’s academic background thru say, a degree, well that can be faked/forged. Nothing is impossible. You have to choose a person by his/her actual abilities (deciphered empirically) rather than by the degree that backs them.</p>
<p>ohhh yeah degrees can be faked allright and everyone is implicated including people in the very highest posts-just look at WB as a case study!</p>
<p>We’ve had 20 years of CPM mismanagement out here and they’ve crippled our educational system beyond repair.</p>
<p>laloo has a law degree :eek: ???</p>
<p>pretty good reasonin from merc.
about charity - thts the price to join my party and lead this nation. if 1 considers helping orphans or poors to be educated to be a tax, he/she can start another party</p>
<p>i agree with you about science/commerce/arts - but we do need overall knowledge to tackle diff. issues like IT, agriculture, trade, exim, etc. maybe putting a # might be a bad idea, but recruiting should be focused on hiring diversified members</p>
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<p>With that former part of the sentence, I had almost imagined you’d say - if 1 considers helping orphans or poors to be educated to be a tax, then so be it!. 
But on second thought, yeah, even if it’s considered a tax, it’s no problem, as long as it actually gets used for the purpose it was intended for. Consider the 2% education cess we are paying. Is that in any way being utilized to improve the condition of government education? Or any education for that matter?</p>
<p>And yes, Laloo has a BALLB and some other qualification (PhD I think)… he’s not at all uneducated - he’d been very active politically in his student years. He studied at Patna University (at that time, one of the nation’s best).</p>
<p>yup 2% education cess isnt being used for improving government education. and that is exactly one of the reasons tht we are starting a new party. I believe tht i can do a better job than what is being done right now.</p>
<p>also, let me clarify the 40% after tax to charity. This applies to ministers elected under our party banner. this is for the mps and mlas that our party will support (in getting elected) and provide credibility. In exchange, i want them to put their $$ where their mouth is. i want them to personally help to make a difference. unless it hurts their pockets, they wont understand…
and about so be it… i dont want ppl who are not considerate enough to be in my party and that is why “start another party” coz i dont want these people to get elected. i believe tht i will have enuf ppl in my party to contest for every seat and these are the ppl who really has a desire to improve india and not just enrich their own pockets.</p>
<p>Ok adides the thing is we do have money right now to invest. Its an old trick of the government to pretend they have no money when they do have it ( heared it frm my 60 year old tutor who used to a diplomat in the parliment ( foreign affairs)). Secondly what i suggested was gradual investment + countries are ready to give us loans because of the rising status of India as a global superpower. So politician stop buying 10 cars and start investing in the future!!</p>
<p>Charities need to be more goal oriented. Right now they are in the mindset that whatever they get they make do with it, this should change and they should go more public. Well thats what i think. </p>
<p>Wait make primary education mandatory well who will enforce it? We have enough problems enforcing law already lets just leave the decision to the chilsren if they want to study or not. In India if you dont go to college you cant suceed anyway ( if you are a truck driver, a resteraunt owner or a member of a gang you are exempt frm the above statement) .</p>
<p>In other news, Cyrus Baroacha appeared on MTV !!! I was soo freaking surprised! He actually was talking about the victims of the Tsunami in an area near Chennai . I was hearing tamil on american tv and an solid indian accent at the same time! I was sorry for the victims though…</p>
<p>oh yea sorry for the typos, i was a lil careless when i was typing everything in 2 mins.</p>
<p>ok - when we talk about the government having money - i was referring to our almost 8% overall economic deficit. What that means is that we have $100 and we are spending $108. That itself tells u tht we dont have enough money to sustain a major undertakin.</p>
<p>i never suggested tht we make primary education mandatory. What i suggested is have a very small group of people (the politicans) actually contribute some money to maybe charities like mother teresa’s center for handicap or local orphanages in areas like tamilnadu, gujarat where the # of orphans went up because of natural disasters…</p>
<p>the purpose of such a requirement is to keep out the people who come into politics for making money. politics is not a ‘dhandhaa’ - it is a service. if we call them public servants, they should sacrifice s o m e part of their monetary rewards for the public…</p>
<p>Adides,IMHO,there should be no compulsion for anybody to give money to charity.The day ppl start believing that they will always get money from the rich bcoz theyre poor,their drie to succeed will vanish.However,the money can be used to finance social security schemes.</p>
<p>Also why shud the politicians have to pay money?In my opinion,their salaries should be increased,so that there is no incentive for them to take bribes.Also,what motivation will they have to succeed or work for the country if they have no avenue for increased income to support their families?</p>
<p>And one more point,who will determine which charity they have to donate money to?
If say,the BJP ppl donate money to RSS or Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram,which incidentally do carry out a lot of charity work,they will be labelled as communalist,wont they?</p>
<p>Back to original point,Sucharita ,Nomad,and Astrix,its all very well to say that u support neither BJP nor Congress,but wud support an independent/new party…but the thing is,who do you want to lead the country?
Also,u say we should have a system of neagtive voting,ie,not supporting any of the parties,but then,who will represent that constituency?
All this idealism on your parts is just that,idealism.</p>
<p>Merc,u say we shud have a two-party system.I agree,but the point is ,suppose both the two parties dont raise the issues of the people,are both corrupt,then who is there to represent the aspirations of the people?Also,if we already decide who the permanent 2 parties are going to be,what scope wud there be in the future for the rise of further parties ?I mean,if the 2-party system had been establised 20 years back,then there wud have been no BJP.THen what wud have happened?</p>
<p>Adides, politicians should be educated,yes…But then,if u are in favour of supporting a part of the educated,why dont U support the BJP?;)BJP has the highest no. of educated people.
But the more serious point is,it is not always the educated who can best represent the aspirations of the people.Also,the quality of higher education is highly variable in our country.Aajkal,even peons and clerks have college degrees,but does that mean theyre really qualified?</p>
<p>OK,people rant and rave against the BJP.Why? Coz they are a party of Hindu fundamentalists.And thats why people have no other choice but to support the Congress,which incidentally is in power with the support of a certain party called the ALL-India MUSLIM LEAGUE.This esteemed “secular” party even has the minister of state for external affairs belonging to it.</p>
<p>Ok I am read to lead th CS party with my fellow CC ers in 2022. 
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<p>The problem with a 2 party system is that, India is much more diverse than either the US or UK culturally. Hence the idea of a biparty system emerging is almost whimsical. </p>
<p>The thing is if you keep on raising the salaries of politicians thats not going to stop them from taking bribes. ( Having more than 10 billion ( 33?) hasnt deterrerd Bill Gates from earning more has it? )</p>
<p>And giving charities is not a problem, the thing is no matter what you do you will and you should have a poor section of society. So the poor depending on charities will not be a problem a better solution would be to give them some kind of employment. ( clean the streets that kind of work where atleast they can earn enough to support them for the time being )</p>
<p>And Adides the budget deficit is not keeping US from investing is it? We need to have long term goals. I know, we will have a much higher deficit if we undertake such projects but imagine how much money these projects will save us if they are a success.</p>
<p>OK I am no great Congress lover but just because the congress has formed an alliance with the IUML doesn’t mean that it has accpeted its ideology as its own. Amybe you could elaborate the point you’re trying to make a little more because I don’t think I’ve got it.</p>
<p>The thing is,our newspapers and ppl like you castigate the BJP all the time?Why?Due to this reason.And when it never says that it is a party of the Hindus.And while we have a party like this at the centre which explicitly states that it is for the Muslims.Yet it escapes any castigation from wonderful secularists like you.</p>
<p>In a secular country like ours,why should this party not be derecognised?And why does Congress,the champion of true secularism, need the support of this party?</p>
<p>‘In a secular country like ours,why should this party not be derecognised?’</p>
<p>Let me think about that one before I get back to you.</p>
<p>As for why ppl like me castigate the BJP, it has nothing to do with whether or not they call themselves Hindus or not. I happen to be a practising Hindu myself. The reason why I do castigate them has everything to do with the tacit support they gave to the mobs that disembowelled and burnt pregnant women in Gujarat. I’d prefer people to start adhering to the Indian constitutionin spirit before they do in letter.</p>
<p>" I was kinda happy BJP got out of power. I guess because in my heart of hearts I never really liked their deviation from secularism, all that chest thumping about hindu rashtra, all the support Narendra Modi received. And then there’s congress. They’re dondering. Chose between BJP and congress? Which is the lesser evil? I’d rather cast a negative ballot if it wasn’t for that i’m still 17 and they still don’t let you do that."
How did they deviate from secularism?
What exactly is the definition of the Hindu/Hindutva?
According to the Supreme Court,A hindu is a person believing in the principles of India,and Hindutva is a way of live followed by Indians.So India is a Hindu rashtra on all accounts.</p>
<p>“The reason why I do castigate them has everything to do with the tacit support they gave to the mobs that disembowelled and burnt pregnant women in Gujarat. I’d prefer people to start adhering to the Indian constitutionin spirit before they do in letter.”</p>
<p>What about the tacit support the Congress gave to the Anti-sikh rioters in 1984,who performed exactly the same deeds?What abt the tacit support the Congress and Leftsit parties gave to those who caused the Godhra incident when it happened?I seem to remember every Congresswalah implying the the passengers deserved what they got,because they were a lesser breed of ppl who called themselves Karsevaks.</p>