Chance Me - SCEA Yale or ED Dartmouth - Social Sciences and Humanities, 3.7 GPA, 1570 SAT

I think you have the right attitude. You will be successful no matter where you land! Good luck to you!

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Thank you so much for your advice! Yes, my thinking is that since I already like Rutgers a lot and I have a good chance of getting in for my major, ā€œthere’s nowhere to go but upā€! I will definitely try for the Jefferson scholarship (I visited UVA; really loved it). Unfortunately I don’t qualify for USSYP since I’m not in student government; the deadline for the Cameron scholarship passed already :smiling_face_with_tear:

Agree with the quoted statement, but important to not settle/sell yourself short.

Rutgers-NB Honors College is your safety & that is fine. However, elite schools–while not necessary for success or not a guarantee of success–do make the road to success a lot easier by offering a head start regarding opportunities, options,and connections.

School selection is even more important with respect to professional programs such as law school and MBA programs. For those who elect not to pursue graduate/professional school in a non-STEM discipline, then attending an elite school can make a substantial difference in one’s career path.

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If anything, you should rather take your shot at Rutgers, make friends, get engaged, rock it in classes and have a great four years - if you end up at Rutgers.

You should never enter a school with one foot already out the door.

There’s nothing research and internship wise that any dream school offers that Rutgers doesn’t either - different research projects yes - but you can do the same from Rutgers as Yale.

That you want to go to Yale so I hope you get in - and that’s great.

But if for some reason you end up, not at a reach school, please don’t enter that school with your eye on the door - that’s bad for you academically, socially, and in so many other ways.

Crush it wherever you end up - with the goal of being there four years!!

You have rank - itis - and yet you said it above, you will make your success moreso than your school.

Good luck.

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The honors college isn’t a safety for anyone.

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Depends upon the particular honors college as I know some are stats based while others are holistic. Regardless, in the case of OP, I suggest viewing Rutgers Honors College as one of her safeties because she can certainly generate offers of admission to many honors colleges/programs with merit scholarship money and since her SAT of 1570 greatly exceeds the program average of 1490.

In short, I understand your point, but my intention was a bit different.

Rutgers honors college is very selective as well as holistic, rank could hurt, depending upon what they are looking for that year. It’s as safe as an ivy acceptance.

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Doesn’t Rutgers-NB Honors College standards vary by school/academic discipline ?

Plus, she is almost certain to be admitted to Rutgers regardless of the honors college decision. And Rutgers is a solid safety for OP.

I think Rutgers NB is a fine flagship university. BUT I also like to see seniors have choices. I would suggest finding one more sure thing for admission that you like, that is affordable. That way, if it comes to that, you will have a couple of choices from which to choose.

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Agree and the OP, hopefully, understands that there are several safeties that offer merit scholarship money.

But, my point was to get OP to focus on her strengths.

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I’m assuming we’re done debating whether Rutgers Honors College is a safety

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No, those are honors programs that may or may not come with merit. I believe the Rutgers honors college started in 2015, all will receive merit.

As a general update, I also really like UPenn now because of their amazing PPE major, reallly strong creative writing program, and legal studies minor/joint program with Wharton. I’m currently talking with their creative writing director about getting recruited, and will be sending her a writing sample soon. So now it’s between Yale, Dartmouth, and UPenn.

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Please explain this. Are you saying that Penn recruits for creative writing?

Yes, they’re the only school to do so I’ve seen so far. While it isn’t as formal as athletic recruitment, they can still play a considerable role in admissions based on your writing.

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Considering a bunch of reaches is fine, but narrow them down to no more than 6 (+4 matches +2 safeties) at some point. Once you pass the ā€œstatsā€ hurdle (GPA, rigor, test scores) and you look to have some impressive EC’s, it will be about your LoR’s and essays/short answers. Quality and applicability to the applied schools will matter (fit is as important to them as it is to you). My suggestion:

SCEA Yale, EA/rolling your top state schools in the first application tranche.

If accepted by Yale, RD your top reaches that you might prefer over Yale unless chasing merit is important.

If deferred by Yale, your app is likely strong enough that your RD schools can be reach heavy, especially if you got into an EA/rolling public.

If you got denied by Yale, you might want decrease your RD reaches and focus more on matches.

In any case, if you get an EA/rolling public acceptance, that pretty much should establish your lower base for RD applications, unless you are chasing merit.

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I think the issue here is that OP is Rutgers or ā€œtop 10ā€ - ish / Ivy - so there’s no room for a 2nd tier of fantastic schools - whether a Brandeis or Rochester or Richmond, etc.

Given the bent in creative writing, perhaps OP should look at Iowa and Sewanee as a 2nd tier of schools (but they seem to love Rutgers) or Emory and Oberlin as not quite as reachy top school but not quite Ivy - that are likely stronger than some Ivy in creative writing. But it seems like even a school of the Emory stature might be below the swing for the stars mentality. But will these ā€œtopā€ schools meet the OPs needs beside a high rank which is apparently needed?

With the OPs class rank, I think they are setting themselves up for Rutgers. I hope I’m wrong - but a 3.7, 1570, 15th percent rank in a public school (if that is the rank) is unlikely for a tippy top school. It’s possible…but highly unlikely.

And there’s a lot of selectivity levels between Ivy and Rutgers being passed over…which is 100% fine if the OP, as said, is fantastic with Rutgers.

Great strategy in applying (assuming choice isn’t wanted and OP can handle rejection).

I don’t know if Rutgers Honors is a given but Rutgers is and OP would be happy - although this would be choice limiting.

But philisophically I see nothing wrong with the strategy being pursued - in the end, it’ll get OP into a great college, she can afford and would love to attend.

The 12 Best Creative Writing Colleges and Programs (prepscholar.com)

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To clarify, I’m definitely not planning to skip straight from Rutgers to Ivies! Here’s my current list of colleges -

US

  • Rutgers NB (maaaayyybe Penn State/American University? finalizing with my parents)
  • UVA, UNC, UMich, NYU, Boston College, Wellesley, Georgetown, Carnegie Mellon, maybe Emory
  • Northwestern, Duke,
  • Ivies + Stanford + Uchicago

International (obviously a separate process; luckily no supplementals but I do have to take the LNAT for Oxford)

  • University of Oxford
  • University of Edinburgh

What I put down as my intended major will also vary depending on the schools. For example, at Princeton I would put down English instead of economics.

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*I do have to write a personal statement for the UK schools, but that is coming along nicely. I am almost done with my common app as well, and am hoping to finish some supplementals before school starts in September.

I see potentially all rejections below the first line. Iowa might be a better fit for you than PSU given you creative writing endeavors. It’s about 5% Asian - not sure if that’s an issue vs. PSU at about 7%.

If you have Wellesley, how about a Bryn Mawr - which gets you access to Haverford, Swarthmore and Penn (one of your targets)? It’s an easier than - so Wellesley, 91% is in the top 10% of the class whereas at Bryn Mawr, it’s 69%.

Listen - you’re a great student - and if you told me you were top 10%, my thoughts might be different - and it seems you were unsure of your rank so maybe it is higher?

You wrote: Class rank: not officially reported, but counselor said I’m in the top ~15%.

To me, this works to your advantage of they don’t report it - including on the profile - for these tippy top schools. They can’t use it for admissions if it doesn’t exist.

I wish you luck - but you really, even with the non-Ivies - Stanford, hello - have a very over the top heavy list - and hopefully I’m wrong. To me, you should be looking at an Oberlin, a Sewanee, etc.

But if not, you’re happy with Rutgers and that’s the best news!!! Because no matter what, you’re going to be happy!!

Good luck.