Chance son for a bunch of reaches [NY, valedictorian, 1520]

Chance my son for T20s please!!

Major: Neuroscience / cell biology

Demographics:

  • White male, NY Resident, average public school (class of about 300)
  • LGBTQ

Stats:

  • Valedictorian (1/300 ish)
  • GPA: 102.3 UW 100 W
  • 1520 SAT no superscore, 770 math, 750 English
  • 12 AP Courses with all 5s on the exams taken

Extracurriculars:

  • Summer Research Internship at a lab (50 hours/week for 12 weeks, summer before senior year)
  • School District Orchestra: Concertmaster of Chamber Orchestra, Symphony, and District Club (10 hours/week, 4 years)
  • Summer Research internship at a lab (summer before junior year, 30 hours/week, 8 weeks)
  • Director of a team at a nonprofit, published over 50 works (3 hours a week, all year, from 10th grade to present)
  • Founder and President of a school science club- volunteer at clinic + host library workshops + fundraiser for orgs etc (2 hours a week, 11th grade to present)
  • Varsity athlete
  • research journal author- authored 2 academic papers that have been published
  • Hospital volunteer, play violin in pediatric emergency department (2 years, 3 hours / week all year)
  • global health leaders conference - selected member, speaker on AIDS (3 hours a week / 8 weeks during the summer)

Honors:

  • Valedictorian
  • scholarship semifinalist
  • National writing award
  • Regional science fair award
  • AP Scholar With Distinction, National merit commended scholar

2 LOR (bio, lang) are great

LOR from research mentor at lab from this past summer— very very good

Essays: very well written

Decisions received:

  • Brown ED: rejected
  • UMich EA: accepted (oos)
  • Villanova EA: accepted + honors + semifinalist for full ride merit scholarship
  • UNC EA: waitlisted
  • UChicago EA: deferred
  • Stony Brook EA: accepted + full ride + honors college

Waiting on:

  • Harvard University
  • Stanford University
  • Yale University
  • Columbia University
  • University of Chicago
  • University of Pennyslvania
  • Duke University
  • Vanderbilt Universiry
  • Dartmouth College
  • Northwestern University
  • Johns Hopkins University
  • Cornell University
  • University of California-Los Angeles
  • Tufts University
  • Georgetown University
  • Notre Dame
  • Boston University
  • University of California-Berkely
  • Washington University in St. Louis

Interviews: had interviews for Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Duke, Dartmouth, Georgetown (Yale and Duke pre screen)

Does he have a chance for t20s?

Of course he has a chance, but the schools on your list are reaches for all unhooked candidates – but I doubt you really need anyone here to tell you that.

Glad he has nice acceptances already.

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That’s why we are thankful for Umich! He is worried he will be flat out rejected from every one of these schools

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He for sure has a chance! Unfortunately, they are all reaches, but fortunately he has two great offers from a couple of great schools. Who knows, he may get into 1, 2, or a few more…

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UMich is #21 as per USNWR, so technically not a T20 by that measure, but is there really a meaningful difference?

Congratulations on a great admit! And for the honors + full ride and Stony Brook. Well done!

As for the remaining schools on your list, as others have said, your son is competitive at all of them but they’re very hard to predict.

I will say though, that UChicago is probably unlikely unless you switch to ED2 and commit.

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Gotta say, the NYS residence makes him more attractive in the midwest than back east. I’ll wager Wash U.

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He has a chance, but nobody can tell you because (as you know) these schools are hyper-competitive.

The good news is that he has a few great acceptances. Congrats!

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Congratulations! This is a very good university. There will be lots of opportunities at Stony Brook.

Other than saying congratulations and wondering about budget, my other reaction to your post is that there are a lot of reaches on this list, and they are not all the same. U Michigan is huge. My one visit there was in the middle of a cold spell (it did not get up to zero F the entire time I was in Ann Arbor) so we did not get out much. Columbia is big and in the middle of a city. Dartmouth is small and in a small town in the middle of very little. I like the area around Tufts quite a bit and it is a very good university, but is not inexpensive. UC Berkeley is a long way to go to be full pay as an out of state student.

Of course the answer is yes. I think that there is quite a good chance that he will get in somewhere, in addition to the very good schools that have already accepted him.

However, admissions to “top 20” universities in the US is very hard to predict. For any particular university, I think that a student’s chances are significantly better if they have a personal and authentic answer to “why is this university a good fit for you”, and to me it is hard to know how one single student could come up with a good answer to every school on your list.

I think that you just have to wait and see what happens. However, given a very affordable admissions in hand to a very good Stony Brook, your son will have a very good university to attend in September regardless of how this works out.

By the way, one daughter is currently studying for a PhD in a biomedical field at a school that is either on your list or very much at the same level, and the other students in the same program got their bachelor’s degrees at a very wide range of universities. Definitely some of them got their bachelor’s degree at a college or university that is ranked lower than Stony Brook. They had however done very well as undergraduate students and had very good research experience. Given how well your son has done up to now, I think that he is likely to similarly do very well wherever he ends up.

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You know…Stonybrook and Villanova are also excellent colleges…along with Michigan.

So…really, he is set regardless of the remaining decisions.

Is there any college on that reach list that trumps what he already has for acceptances? Or is it just that he wants to say he attends a T 20 college?

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UNC is a wait list- but I do agree that there are excellent acceptances already!

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Oops…I meant Stonybrook. I’ll edit!

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Stanford is his dream school above all and has been for years

Yes I totally get that. Many of these schools are different environments but my son doesn’t have much of a preference. He has done a LOT of research for each of these schools and is well informed of their programs and what draws him to each school specifically

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Either he will be accepted to Stanford…or he won’t be. I hope he understands that his chances are like everyone else who applies there…slim.

If he doesn’t get accepted, it’s not any reflection on who he is or what he has done.

So…just keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best.

He has good acceptances so far!

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I also think part of it is wanting to attend a top school. We don’t care where he ends up, as long as he is happy in the environment

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Absolutely! Rejections everywhere are expected. Anything other than that is a bonus! Thank you for the kind words.

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He will grow where he is planted. You know…his three acceptances all are fine places. He is very lucky.

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I think he will get into 3 of the 19 remaining schools. I think the current acceptances and defferals are putting him into a band where some of the T20s will come through. I think Wash U, Boston U and Tufts.

Congratulations on his achievements! Sounds like a great kid!

Let us know his results and where he chooses.

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Yes he has a chance.

But even if not, he has multiple great homes.

Given the major and likely grad school, it’d be hard to turn down SB assuming full ride means room and board…or Nova if he gets full tuition.

Top 20 is great. But it’s simply something US News created a formula for.

These schools are different

Michigan is not Vandy is not Columbia.

I’m guessing you do get in another but attending a top 20 for top 20 sake seems the wrong thing.

If it fits and you’re ok shelling out near $400k vs Stony or $300k if Nova comes through, then great.

But I hope they are great beyond rank because most all of these will land you in a similar place post college. Grad school !!

Best of luck - and I think you’ll have some.

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Thank you! Will do