Wedding etiquette

<p>Pizzagirl - I attended a bridal expo once and a skilled calligrapher whisked up a monogram. It’s a really impressive skill. My handwriting is more likely to be mistaken for that of a serial killer’s. </p>

<p>dragonmom - Actually, we’re having the opposite problem with our caterer. Since they typically serve on paper, they charge a very steep fee for taking care of the dishes and such. We’re contemplating how to address this situation. We’ve thought about going with bamboo silverware and plates from Susty Party, being a step up from the usual disposable fare (plus it’s all biodegradable and sustainably manufactured, so they say) but we feel very odd serving a wedding meal on this. It would save us a lot of money from the rentals, racking fee, and cleaning fee, but people have gotten somewhat scandalized by the idea. Plus I’ve also gotten in touch with a company that drops off and picks up composting bins and we would be able to compost all of the waste from the evening if we went this route.</p>

<p>Julie, my complaint had nothing to do with washing or not washing dishes, but that an unscrupulous caterer was having the staff scoop up and dump out drinks and then happily provide replacements to guests who had been dancing. And charging the FOB by the drink.
I think the bamboo/compost able suggestions sound quite responsible. I’m going to file this idea I case any of my children ever decide to get married…if not, there’s always DH and my 50th at some point!</p>

<p>dragonmom - I failed to convey what I meant. It definitely seems like the practice was somewhat unscrupulous. On my part, we don’t have that problem because the caterer won’t clean glasses at all anyway. :)</p>

<p>Julie, I still can’t believe that you are getting married. Where did the time go? It seemed like yesterday you were going through the college process. Congrats.</p>

<p>I saw the bamboo plates at either Sam’s Club or BJ’s Wholesale. They look pretty nice–I think they’d be perfectly acceptable (esp for the price).</p>

<p>And make sure the bartender doesn’t have a tip jar! Your guests shouldn’t have to tip a bartender at a private event.</p>

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<p>I don’t see why not. You have a casual aesthetic in your choice of barbecue as your meal, so casual dinnerware I think can fit just fine with that aesthetic. If you were serving prime rib and asparagus, yeah, I think disposable dishware would feel out of place.</p>

<p>I think those bamboo plates are pretty handsome.</p>

<p>Looked at some of the bamboo products on thewebrestaurantstore.com. They looked great for your outdoor wedding. Loved the “green” aspect too! Prices for 100, 9" plates were $65. It seemed economical, though I have not recently price shopped for a large gathering.</p>

<p>I love the idea of composting everything afterwards, particularly if it saves you money overall. I like the looks of the palmware in particular. They have a heart-shaped bowl. Would that be too obvious? :slight_smile: I’d go with the birch cutlery, because I hate plastic. You can put together a really nice, natural look. I’d go with rented table cloths and napkins in a soft color and complimentary natural and sustainable-looking centerpieces. A single blossom floating in a shallow bowl, for example, or live plants. </p>

<p>My suggestion is that you inform any family members who are scandalized by the idea that a) they can pay for the rentals, and b) THEY will be in charge of rinsing and racking the plates and silverware after the reception. :smiley: </p>

<p>PG took the words out of my mouth about the tip jar. I remember that coming up in another wedding thread.</p>

<p>I think that you are lucky your caterer isn’t providing the alcohol, since you would be paying top dollar for it in that case. You should not have a problem getting a bartender for the day, and if you stick to only red and white wine, beer, and non-alcoholic drinks–which is PERFECTLY reasonable–one should suffice. And the bartender can rack the used glasses. (Most discount wine suppliers will take back unopened bottles of wine, and you should get a case discount.)</p>

<p>KKmama, people who don’t believe in any god would be perfectly welcome in a UU church. They should go there, not to a Christian one like yours.</p>

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My suggestion is that you focus on how you’re saving the earth–it’s better that they think you’re idealistic.</p>

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<p>My UU church would definitely rent the church facility to a non-member, but our minister won’t perform a marriage ceremony for someone who is not a church member. It would be fine to bring in someone else. My D got married in a UU church in another place and the minister there would only perform the service for members. The retired minister of that church, however, was available. This is a summer resort area and a place where people often have destination weddings. I don’t think this policy is unreasonable. Ministers are there to serve the folks in their congregation–that should be their priority. Weddings can take up a great deal of the minister’s time. I know my D and her husband met with the minister twice before the wedding and then he participated in the rehearsal. It did take up time.</p>

<p>Julie, on the subject of hors d’oeuvres…I am going to assume that you will not have the ability to heat anything up onsite, and that you will also not have refrigeration, so that anything cold should be brought in a cooler. I am also going to assume that you will have minimal help, and no one with great cooking/presentation skills.</p>

<p>I’m going to suggest some things that mostly do not involve meat, since your meal sounds meaty. Nor do they involve a cheese platter, since as you rightfully pointed out, good cheese is really expensive. Caprese is also out for that reason.</p>

<p>One of the cheapest possibilities is <em>well-flavored homemade</em> bean puree–preferably starting with dried black or pink beans–piped onto homemade crostini with a star tip, garnished with chopped fresh cilantro. The crostini can be made ahead and bagged. The puree can be made days ahead and easily and quickly piped onsite. Fill a platter, and just strew the finely chopped herbs over all. This is delicious IF the puree is well made. (I will elaborate on that if you are interested.) Piping the puree onto crostini with a star tip gives it a little elegance. This is served at room temperature.</p>

<p>Another favorite is smoked trout mousse with crudites. The mousse can be made ahead, and all you need is a food processor. When I serve this, I usually use only two kinds of green crudites with it: european cucumbers sliced on a slant and snow pea pods, blanched and shocked in ice water. The cruditees can be made a day in advance, even two days, and bagged. The mousse can be made a few days in advance. These will travel in the aforementioned cooler.</p>

<p>NICE crudites with 2 or 3 INTERESTING dips would be good. (I am not talking premade platters from the store.) You can get 6-packs of red/orange/yellow peppers at places like BJs and some supermarkets, european cucumbers, grape or cherry tomatoes, carrots that you will peel and cut into nice slanted pieces or bags of baby carrots as a convenience, snow pea pods (blanch and shock), sugar snap peas (raw or blanch really briefly and shock, just to set the color). Those are the veggies I would use as a core. You can always buy a bunch of whole radishes per platter, mostly because it looks cool, like a bouquet. I would stay away from broccoli and cauliflower, too much waste, unless you can get big bags of good-looking florets. If you do, blanch and shock. Asparagus is always great, if you can get it at a good price. (Again, snap the ends, blanche until barely tender, and shock in ice water.) They key here is to present it well. See Martha Stewart’s Entertaining for some fabulous crudite displays.</p>

<p>The dips I like best are Barbara Tropp’s Strange Flavor Egglant and curry with fresh herbs. The smoked trout can be used here if you don’t want to make it a separate thing, although it is more elegant on its own. I also have a good anchovy parmesan, and tapenade is a possibility. (I would not use the premade dips or hummus available in the supermarket. They just are not good.)</p>

<p>Another favorite is Martha Stewart’s Roquefort grapes. They can be made a couple days ahead, and would travel in the cooler. And you can use any blue cheese, not the very expensive roquefort.</p>

<p>If you are interested, I have a great recipe for a chicken liver pate made with apple (and a lot of butter :slight_smile: ) that could be served with sliced baguettes or an array of crackers. You could also make rillettes of duck, and have a little charcuterie presentation. The rilletes and pate can be frozen. </p>

<p>Recipes available if any of this appeals to you.</p>

<p>PS You’re right, Hunt-- was just joking.</p>

<p>Consolation - Thanks for the suggestions! I will show this post to my mom and see what she thinks. I suspect that these would be eaten up by my fiance’s side of the family, but might freak out my side of the family a bit. My family is very working class and would probably pronounce “crudite” as “crew-dite” if they saw it on a piece of paper. They also might be freaked out by things like smoked trout and anchovy and anything with curry. (My mother had to be begged and cajoled to try Chinese food because it was not what she was used to - she loves it now though.)</p>

<p>sybbie719 - Yeah, it’s strange to think about, right? I am a bit on the young side for marriage (23) but my relationship with my fiance predates my joining this site, so there’s that, at least.</p>

<p>Do you have any idea what kind of hors d’oeuvres she had in mind when she asked for them?</p>

<p>So just call them veggies with dip. :)</p>

<p>Consolation - Doing something that simple would probably work to make my side of the family eat them. It’s pretty funny. :D</p>

<p>Honestly, my mom has expectations that are not in line with reality when it comes to my planning this wedding. As far as she’s concerned, if there’s a wedding there ought to be appetizers of some kind. I imagine she is thinking a mixture of hot and cold, with some cheeses, crackers, maybe mini meatballs. Super traditional. Not sure how she imagines we’re going to pull this off at our venue, or pay for it. </p>

<p>My mother was also upset with venue choice, and the time. Since it is a museum open to the public, it has to be an evening wedding by necessity. And the venue is an hour away from our home town. She decided that was too far to travel and that most of our guests would not come or would definitely leave right after dinner. Honestly she has me really worried about it. I have hotel information on the wedding website and got a reasonable price at a nice place, but she does have me half convinced that my wedding will be a ghost town after 8 pm. </p>

<p>I really think it’s kind of funny that most of my angst and drama planning this wedding comes from my mother, who has been with my father for over 25 years without marrying him, and hates weddings!</p>

<p>DH makes a really good salmon and dill mousse – good for veggies or crackers. It is easy and can be made in advance.</p>

<p><a href=“http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18540006/ns/today-food/t/silver-palate-chefs-share-favorite-dishes/#.UO3VvW_Xj08[/url]”>http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18540006/ns/today-food/t/silver-palate-chefs-share-favorite-dishes/#.UO3VvW_Xj08&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>IIRC, he bakes the salmon (unless he has some smoked salmon on hand already).</p>

<p>My sister has a recipe for sweet & sour meatballs (I think that’s what it is) that involves (believe it or not) grape jelly. It is fabulous stuff.
<a href=“http://www.food.com/recipe/grape-jelly-meatballs-72826[/url]”>http://www.food.com/recipe/grape-jelly-meatballs-72826&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Can get both of those recipes if you want.</p>

<p>The problem with meatballs is that you would have to rent chafing dishes, and then you would probably have to supply small plates and forks. More expense.</p>

<p>Also, you are having meat as your main course. </p>

<p>If you want meatballs, there are plenty of good recipes. I make little Indian-spiced meatballs with ground turkey, and have served them with a yogurt dip. I admit that I have never purchased meatballs premade, so I have no idea what they are like. Probably too big for an hors d’oeuvres that is going to be followed by a substantial meal, though.</p>

<p>If you are going the chafing dish route, you could go to an Asian food store and buy bags of dumplings, since your mother likes Chinese food. Once cooked, they could be gently tossewd with a little sesame oil so that they didn’t stick together, then reheated in a chafing dish with a little stock to moisten them, and you could serve a simple dipping sauce on the side. (I don’t know if I would want to entrust this to someone who didn’t know what they were doing, though, because they could end up all stuck together or broken.)</p>

<p>I also have a recipe for a great tuna dip/spread called spuma di tonno. It’s is made with tuna packed in olive oil, and very tasty. But it really isn’t cheap, since there is a lot more expensive tuna in it than there is smoked trout in smoked trout mousse. (Or the smoked salmon equivalent.)</p>

<p>Something else you might consider are salami cornets. Buy some good salami from a deli, sliced thin. Spread with softened cream cheese or goat cheese and roll up. You can do the same thing but roll it around a dilly bean. Very tasty </p>

<p>I have a recipe from a friend for something called “Hog Balls.” It is Bisquick, cheddar cheese, and breakfast sausage. Sounds like your crowd might love them, and they do not have sauce so you can get by with toothpicks and a cocktail napkin. They would fit in with the BBQ.</p>

<p>Your mother might be able to deal with the grapes. They are seedless grapes dipped in a puree of cream cheese and blue cheese, then rolled in chopped toasted walnuts or pecans and chilled.</p>

<p>I would suggest phyllo triangles or spanikopita if you had any way to heat them up on site. Shrimp toasts are always a big hit, but you have to be able to fry them on the spot. I love chicken sates, and fix them two ways: one Indian, the other Thai peanut. Those are actually not expensive if you take advantage of the times when boneless chicken breasts are $1.99 per pound, but they require heating on the spot. Of course, this means that someone would have to do it. And if there is a kitchen, won’t your caterers be using it?</p>

<p>BTW, there really is no way a caterer can do food for less than you can. Caterers typically quadruple (at least) the cost of the ingredients to arrive at a figure that covers labor. THey may pay less for some things, but not THAT much less.</p>

<p>Edit: I forgot an hor d’oeuvres that I love that would be pretty or a wedding: little glasses of pretty cold soups garnished with herbs. Examples: Cold beet soup with sour cream (pink), cold cream of broccoli (pale green), mango gazpacho (yellow), carrot (pale orange). You can use very small plastic glasses: the servings are about 1/8 of a cup. Set out trays, and guests just drink them from the glass: no spoon required.</p>

<p>My daughter’s MIL had a small party to celebrate her wedding for neighbors and family that had not come to the actual destination wedding. She served those meatballs but used bbq sauce + grape jelly and they were delicious. She used meatballs from SAMs.</p>

<p>Consolation - Even more good ideas, and good point on the mess. That would be more plates.</p>

<p>I don’t believe there is a kitchen but it’s the sort of stuff that is easy to transport and serve on-site. They have a portable pit and I think the rest is just either kept cold or kept hot (like potato salad or corn).</p>