Sometimes the editing of the episodes leads us astray a little. It didn’t look like people liked Liz but it looked like people loved Maria?
I think Maria lost a lot of respect from the other players with not choosing Liz and doing the rock paper scissors thing for the reward. Honestly, I think she lost respect just by linking herself too closely with Q (whom nobody liked).
I kept saying here - why vote out Q (just because he is annoying) because nobody would vote for him in the end (you want to be in the end with that type of person).
Well, that was a disappointing ending for me, at least. I mentioned to my family that the final challenge may not be won at all.
The way they edited the show, I thought Liz was also delusional thinking she could have won. And she sounded Marlan Brando, “I coulda been contender, I coulda been someone.” And Liz helping Kenzie win that challenge. That’s an automatic fail in my book. I get it, keep Maria from winning, but try to win the challenge. Comparing her to Caroline from Season 44 was accurate. Oy.
The whole “final questions” were disappointing. No excitement, no “snake eat the rat” moment. I liked Q, for the most part, but his final question of “I’m basing my entire decision on what are you going to do with the money” was dumb. I would just have said I’m giving all of it to charity and help my family.
Initially, after losing, Charlie looked like he was going to bust out some controversial losers speech, but he must gave quickly regained control of his emotions.
I tend to agree with Charlie that the winner of the season is the deserving winner. Regardless of whatever criteria is applied by the jury, that’s the criteria that matters and what the finalist have to play towards. It changes from season to season and who is on the jury.
Strong agree that editing is oftentimes very misleading to viewers and causes backlash. Back in Survivor 41, Erika was the most under-edited winner ever but won 7-0-1. Viewers were stunned she won and that Xander didn’t win because he received such a hero’s edit and narration. But in interviews with jurors afterwards, they simply didn’t respect his game and didn’t view his moves as really influencing the game. Like Kenzie, Erika was a really strong social player but a social game is difficult to portray in 60-90 minute weekly episodes so we focus a lot more on big moves and who gets the most interviews. That’s why most viewers probably thought Charlie would win if he made it to the end starting about 3-4 weeks ago since he became the primary narrator. The jurors see it differently.
I’m not saying this season’s edit was poor or misleading. It really could have gone Charlie’s way had Maria stuck to her promise or Q not been swayed by what the finalists planned to do with their money. Of course, I was expecting Liz to vote with Kenzie. It seems like according to jurors, final tribal made a big difference and 3-4 votes changed as a result of the answers given. Had it been a tie, I do believe that Ben would have cast the deciding vote for Charlie. Both Charlie and Kenzie were deserving winners and this is the closest its been since Dom-Wendall.
Liz was probably under edited a bit as well as it did seem that several of the finalist viewed her as a bigger threat. Maria targeted Liz at final 5 - not Charlie or Kenzie.
Some valid points in this article. I hate the fire making challenge at the final 4 and would also prefer a final tribal with only 2 people instead of 3. I am also tired of the repeated “classic” challenges and puzzles (which luckily this season they did not do.)
I also think they have made big casting errors lately - demonstrated by some of the early outs in this season.
Really not surprising that Maria is not someone to trust. Her rock, paper, scissors thing she did with Q and Liz was pretty telling. Especially since Q had already gone on a food reward… Liz and Venus definitely had more of a need.
I can’t access the article - what is some of their rationale behind “fire Jeff”??
Listened to an interview with Charlie this weekend. He said that the fire challenge between Mackenzie and Liz took FOREVER - like to the point where the jury was getting annoyed. He said at that point he kind of wished he had asked to do fire because he thought he would have been able to beat them both. BUT that fire shouldn’t hold that much weight to the jury - though he said maybe he would have got Maria’s vote then since she seemed swayed by Mackenzie’s “fire in her eyes” at fire!
Hey if you go on a reality show - you will have people following you (both figuratively and literally). You become a celebrity for your 15 minutes of fame. People will hate or love what you did on the show.
I mentioned this earlier, the jury openly cheering for Kenzie during the fire-making challenge was a bad look–so much for not having one’s mind already made up.
First two paragraphs:
The 46th season of Survivor has been an absolute mess. There was Bhanu, the simpering do-nothing who was eventually put out of his misery but shouldn’t have been cast in the first place. There was Q, who seemed to shift his entire strategy and betray his alliances based on stray comments. Not a single member of the cast executed an idol or advantage successfully. We’re now five years into Survivor’s “new era,” and few of its tricks and twists are still working. The great experiment has overstayed its welcome, and it’s time for a few changes. I’m proposing the biggest one today: Jeff Probst has to go.
Don’t get me wrong. I love Survivor, and I think Probst was an excellent host when the show began two and a half decades ago (except when he was yelling at women for trailing behind in physical challenges). But as of 2010, he’s also served as executive producer and showrunner. Probst isn’t designing every challenge or reading résumés to hire cameramen, but he’s signing off on every twist, every casting decision, every major format change. He’s also deciding the overarching strategy, whether that’s approving Tyler Perry idols or vowing to never cast a villain again. If there are problems with the show — and I think there are several — then the person at the top needs to get his torch snuffed. Sadly, that means it’s time for the 62-year-old to pack his knives and go. Wait. Sorry. Wrong reality show.
Thanks. I’ll agree to disagree with him. Maybe Jeff could pull back on some of the decisions - it does seem clear he doesn’t just show up for the challenges. He seems to be quite involved in the entire show - including his now after show podcast.
But Jeff and Phil (Amazing Race) are mainstays! We already lost Padma, let’s hang onto Jeff.
Been watching S7 and S33 on Netflix. Seemed to be a greater variety of personalities, tactics, especially S7 (Sandra, Rupert and Johnny “Fairplay”). Also recent seasons seem to have too many “students” of the game who are playing it the same way, keep a low profile initially but don’t be a jerk, then try to make your “move” after the merge. Challenges also getting to be too much of the same, obstacle course plus puzzle. They were shooting slingshots, blowing blowpipes and shooting cannon in S7.
When you have “students of the game” people ask why Bhanu and Jess were cast. Don’t have people who don’t know anything about the game and don’t have people who know too much about the game.
Personally, I would rather have someone who doesn’t know the game than someone who quits.
By the way, check out Bhanu’s Instagram (B_yourself2020). He’s a Bollywood dancer.
I think it was Hunter that said Charlie had faltered a bit toward the end. If he had come into either of the last two or three challenges with an immunity necklace, he would have been more likely to win. Kenzie winning immunity, even with Liz’s help, seemed to boost her game cred. At least as shown, Charlie did not do a great job of laying out his game to the jury. That being said, he was the better player and should have won. However, I can see how the jury may have felt like none of three played the best game and that the money is likely more life-changing for Kenzie.
Not a fan of fire making, especially as a resume booster. OTOH, it does give strong players a way to the final rather than having the last immunity winner take the weakest remaining players.
