@PuppyM I personally think a better solution is to create a guaranteed pathway for Georgia residents to transfer into GT, without the GT legacy requirement, subject to performance criteria (GPA, course load, etc.). That’s essentially what is happening in the University of California system.
@RoboticsDad and @PuppyM I don’t think that is correct as we would have to know the number of OOS vs in-state applications that were received and I have not seen that published just for EA.
GT receives many more OOS applications. Last year for all of admissions(EA and RD) the overall acceptance rate was 20.5% with an in-state rate of 40.2% and an OOS rate of 16.2%. They received 30300 OOS applications but only 6600 from in-state. GT actually accepted nearly double the number of OOS students than in-state but the yeild for in-state(64%) students is much higher(28%OOS). Last years incoming freshman class was ~55% from GA and ~45% OOS. I suspect this years EA would fall close to those numbers since the acceptance percentages are similar.
The state senator would probably freak if he realized those numbers and not understanding the difference between acceptance numbers and enrollment yeild. Trying to make 90% of the accepted EA students from GA is just ridiculous. The state of GA currently only funds 18% of GT’s budget.
The further away you are from full pay at HYPMS, the lesser is the attractiveness of a GT full ride. (Unless, of course, money is completely no object).
That is, of course, hard to know. We can only take one path. You could have similar wistfulness had your daughter given up her Princeton dreams for the Stamps offer…
Then the State of GA should have little to no say in who GT accepts. LOL.
Sure it is. All they have to do is accept less OOS and poof, the ratios/percentages tilt to the desired goal.
And even if the OOS EA is capped at 10% from OOS, it would be surprising if that many applicants decide to not apply. The name of the game these days is reaching for that golden ring, and strong applicants think they have what it takes.
I think the message sent by the proposal will do more harm to GT than the number itself. Many OOS students could get discouraged and decide not to apply after hearing about this.
If that proposal went thru, seems like GT could just admit far more OOS students in RD (of course that presents problems with competing for top students).
Each UNC school can have up to 18% OOS students in a freshman class. This 18% limit does not apply to the entire undergrad population of any school…which includes transfer and exchange students.
The UF school system is limited to 10% OOS undergrad students in total, across the entire system…so the limit is not by school. UF Gainesville had 21% OOS students (undergrad) in fall 2018 (which is the latest I found data for).
GT will be fine. MIT, CMU, Stanford etc. have acceptance rates under 10% and their number of apps aren’t decreasing. GT will still have a line out the door of high stat kids that will try to get in. If kids aren’t discouraged from applying MIT or CMU because of low acceptance rate then they won’t be deterred from GT. Florida and NC have OOS caps and they’re doing just fine. In fact their schools have climbed up the rankings.
At this point GT should consider going private. Up the COA to $75k/year and become the MIT or CMU of the South. Georgia could take the money and beef-up their state school system.
GT is a state school. It will not go private.
Why not? Because that’s the way we’ve always done it? I know they’re public but things can change. Other schools have kicked around the idea. At least worth the discussion.
https://psmag.com/education/breaking-away-several-top-public-universities-going-private-68007
“The legislation by Sen. Brandon Beach, R-Alpharetta, would require [Ga Tech] to offer at least 90 percent of early action admissions to Georgia resident students.”
Did a certain politician’s family member not get in?
@PuppyM: The problem is that many well qualified constituents’ children were not admitted.
Every year a rumor circulates that Tech limits admissions by zip code. My understanding is that Tech admissions repeatedly has stated that this is not true, but the zip code rumor continues.
…Or be less likely to choose to enroll if they have other options, so GT may have to start offering more merit.
Well, although GT’s getting more and more recognized. Its overall reputation is not in the same level as MIT/Stanford yet.
Maybe, Maybe not. I suspect that most/all of the OOS applicants are high stats and have other options already and yet GT doesn’t offer much merit today because they don’t have to. They seem to be holding their own. GT is still a good value at $50k/year OOS. The number of apps keep increasing.
Great school, growing, diverse city, economic opportunities, with nice weather and $100k less than MIT or CMU. I’m sure they have enough kids that would sign-up for this.
Maybe but it’s close, especially depending on what area of CS you’re discussing. Throw-in other factors around quality of life and cost and it’s a race.
I suspect that the state of Georgia is funding much more than 18% of Tech’s budget as most students are Georgia residents attending under state sponsored scholarship programs (Hope & Zell Miller).
I think that Tech admissions is doing it right. Heavy focus on difficulty of classes & class rank in addition to demanding high standardized test scores.
We just received MIT’s financial award letter, and it is same price for us as GT (unless son is awarded Stamps). Most families pay a lot less for MIT.
GT is a great school because of the significant number of top OOS students it recruits. If that changes significantly, so will the decision-making process of its top applicants.
I can tell you we wouldn’t be trading MIT’s offer for Purdue’s Stamps, for example.
@racereer You are correct. I did not have the in-state vs OOS stats for EA applicants, so I assumed 50/50, which is probably wrong. Assuming there are a lot more OOS EA applicants means the change will be even greater than I described.
The low percentage acceptance private schools are not sending the message out that they don’t want OOS students. The reaction of parents of very high stats OOS kids like @TheVulcan is telling. As I said, GT will survive, but it will fundamentally change the character of the school.
I’m glad it worked out for you at MIT but some families don’t qualify for aid and $75k/year isn’t realistic but $50k/year is.
GT had over 40k applications. MIT probably gets over 20k. CMU SCS had over 9k applications for about 200 seats.
So where will all these top students go? MIT only admits maybe 1,200 kids per year. There’s probably less than 1,000 total undergrad at CMU SCS.
GT will still get many high stat OOS students to apply even if this bill passes.