The Val and sal admits only account for 5% of admits.
The section in the “lite” data to look at is under “student” and then “enrollment”. One can really play with the data. There is a lot of info there.
@jym626 By “significant advantage”, I was referring to the in-state versus OOS admission rates, not the vals/sats. I realize that those numbers are going to be relatively small.
While I am not in favor of the legislative proposal, it is akin to that in NC and FL
Until HOPE and Zell Miller are accepted at competing engineering schools, GT should be more accessible for in-state students than out-of-state students. Kids in Georgia do well in school with the promise that if they do very well, they can go to a state school at a significant discount. It just so happens that one of the in-state schools is a premier destination for students wanting to study engineering. A fair percentage of out-of-state students should be admitted to GT. Those high-achieving out-of-state students are pushing the in-state students to succeed. Those who surpass or even come pretty close to surpassing the achievements of the out-of-state students should be favored for admission, though. The same should be true for schools like Michigan, Illinois, Purdue, and UC-Berkeley. It’s a bummer for a kid from Wyoming who doesn’t have a great in-state option, but that’s Wyoming’s fault (for the record, I know nothing about the state university system in Wyoming).
@jym626 If you want an interesting read on the UNC situation, which is essentially the same issue, take a look at:
http://mediahub.unc.edu/university-ratio-unc-systems-82-18-split/
It also shows the OOS percentages for what they consider to be UNC’s peer schools. GT is not listed.
And clarification above on the LITE data- the graphs to look at/play with are the admissions data (though enrollment is interesting too).
*And interesting article about UNC- but it doesn’t look like they considered any tech schools as a peer school, and I agree. They are different animals. If I read it correctly she compared, for example VA as a peer, but not VT.
@jym626 Depends on what you are calling a tech school. UMichigan is very highly rated for engineering and is included. Same goes for UC Berkeley.
Sure they are (Mich and Cal). But they aren’t predominantly a tech school. Doesn’t look like there are any of those (tech schools) listed as “peers”, since UNC CH isn’t exactly an engineering school (just BME). So would make no sense to compare UNC-CH to a tech/engineering school since it doesn’t offer engineering
@jym626 I don’t see the distinction when GT is positioning itself as a public engineering Ivy. UMichigan and Berkeley are most certainly peer schools to GT in that regard, and their OOS data is included. I don’t consider UNC CH a peer school to GT, and I think it is a huge stretch to compare UNC CH to Berkeley and UMichigan, but I don’t want to start a war.
UNC does not offer engineering (except Biomed) so why would it consider an engineering school a peer?
And side issue- there is no such thing as a “public ivy”. Wish that phrase would die a swift death!
@jym636 We are going in circles. The purpose of the article was to show how UNC compares to other schools since UNC was cited as example of a school that is doing very restrictive OOS admission (along with UF). No one said UNC was an engineering school or a peer to GT. The article just so happens to contain OOS information for a number of other top 10 engineering schools, which DO rival GT.
I think I’m done with this thread. We all agree Georgia applicants should have an advantage in admissions to GT, and they do. Whether that is enough, and at what cost will further changes come, is ultimately up to Georgians to decide.
Agree that we seem to be talking about flip sides of the coin.
Back when my s’s were in the application process, GT was for older s, his safety school (which he turned down). Things changed a lot, as I mentioned earlier, since GT accepted the CA. Younger s wouldn’t even apply instate. But I do watch where our tax dollars go.
CalTech 800 ugrad students
MIT 4400
GT 15000
Candidates for the U.S. Presidential Scholars Program 2020
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/2020/candidates.pdf
High school seniors have to score a perfect 36 on ACT or 1590+ on SAT in one sitting to earn an invitation to this prestigious U.S. Presidential Scholars Program. Georgia has almost 5 pages of students on the list while its population is not nearly as large as some other states with similar or more nominees. For those parents who believe Georgia has a lot of “high stats” students, this SAT/ACT stat is one neat evidence. I believe if ranked by this ACT/SAT high scoring number vs student population, GA would probably rank No 2., right behind New Jersey.
Many of our students start the GT dual-enrollment in 11th grade. In recent years, many of us have been able to complete our GT bachelor’s program in 3 years. Most of us do not stay in Georgia after college.
If GT boosts the early action admit to 90% in-state students, GT will be doing just fine, but probably would not be as well recognized OOS in the future.
Great point. GT’s top 800 students could well have ACT scores close to if not equal to Caltech’s 800 total students. Same for GT’s top 4400 and MIT’s 4400 total students.
I will just say that I am happy to have gotten here before all this stuff goes down
I thought I was done, but I can’t resist! There were about 4K admits (in-state plus OOS) in the current EA round. 1.5 OOS applicants were accepted for every Georgia applicant accepted. However, there were 5.6 OOS applicants for every Georgia applicant, and the historical yield for OOS applicants is only half of in-state. There are a total of only 6K Georgia applicants in EA+RD (out of 40K). If you make EA 90/10 and keep the EA headcount percentage of the overall class the same, you will definitely be bringing in a lot of Georgia applicants with lower stats. I don’t have the EA/RD splits for Georgia applicants, but if it is similar to the overall (roughly 50/50), you don’t have enough applicants, period, so you have to admit all of them 
Why not just raise OOS tuition? It may not help EA stats, but it will discourage OOS, and it helps the Georgia taxpayer by lessening GT’s financial need. OOS GT is cheap compared to OOS UMichigan and others.
@Bgatorsmith re: your post #543 above. As I have noted many times, the University of Wyoming is unquestionably the best university in the state of Wyoming.
In my opinion, Georgia Tech is doing it right. Ultra selective admissions should help generate even more research grants which, in turn, benefit both the students & the school.
Does anyone know when GT will send out Financial Aid decision?