Parents of the HS Class of 2025 (Part 2)

Yes, it’s hard with them growing up. I did meet DH in college, and both of my older kids met their partners in college (one married, one engaged). Obviously, college is about education. But I think of this education as being part academic, part physical, part emotional, part spiritual, and yes, part romantic. College is a time when you can really get to know people and when you’re surrounded by a crowd of potential singles who have a tendency to be reasonably-well matched to you as a first approximation.

I also don’t think it’s about being feminist; all of my children are men. I think it’s about a sort of long-range planning and if you’re a person hoping for marriage/partnership, then take advantage of the numbers game and see if you meet the right person in that context.

I think someone got in trouble for saying that women at Princeton should all be seeking husbands because they’d never have it so good again, and I did feel that was an unpleasant light to shine on it, i.e. women expiring in desirability by age or whatever. That’s not how I’m trying to say it.

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Continuing this sort of tangent, I’m a bit bummed that S22 hasn’t really dated in college. He’s at WPI, which is a small school to begin with and the ratio of women to men is not even close to even. His first year he was very absorbed in his sport - and thus spent almost all of his free time with other guys (he did the same sport from 8th-12th grade - and there too, all his free time was with guys, so no dating in HS). And while he left his sport after that, he then got really active in the fraternity which is, of course, guys. He’s friendly with the women in his classes, his activities have just tended to be more male focused. I think he wishes he were dating. I wish he had some opportunities because I do feel like college is a good place to practice and grow those skills. I didn’t date at all in HS or college, and I felt so behind and nervous and self conscious when I got to grad school and work after that and I was just starting to stretch those muscles. I would rather he have a different path.

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I see your point, but D’s school is well known for having a “ring by spring” culture. If someone meets their spouse in college—great! (DH and I met because we both attended the same college, but we didn’t meet while we attended) but to say that meeting your spouse is your reason for being there is something else IMO.

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That’s funny, because I hear “ring by spring” is also a catchphrase in the UT Austin parent groups, lol. Maybe it’s a Texas thing!

(My D22 is at Rice, and it’s definitely not the culture there – although plenty of people date. But there is no Greek life, so no formal date events and such. But D22’s best friend’s parents met at Rice.)

Sadly, most of the people I know who met their spouse in college ended up divorced.

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I wonder if this is a sampling/observation issue, though? My observations wouldn’t provide the same conclusion, for example.

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Well yes obviously it’s anecdotal.

However, statistics show that marrying at a later age reduces divorces rates; marriage between the ages of 20-25 has a divorce rate of 60%. Those who wait until after the age of 25 are 24% less likely to divorce.

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I think when I was in undergrad I was somehow subconsciously primed to find my life partner before graduation and boy did I try. (I don’t think at the time I would have described what I was doing in quite those terms but I wasn’t interested in casual dating and was pretty much always attempting to be dating so…) In hindsight I think it was kind of a distraction. It’s too bad that the time in your life when you have the most access to resources for learning (and the luxury of spending time learning!) is also the time when you are most hormonally charged AND have (unless you’re straight and going to same-gender school) proximity to a wonderful pre-selected pool of likely partners. WHO DESIGNED THIS SYSTEM?

I also (perhaps not unrelatedly) had a bumpy social start to college. I’m remembering now that there was a window at the beginning of freshman year when people were still looking for their people. I, however, had come to college with a new boyfriend, latched onto his RA group (because I didn’t find myself relating as much to most of my suitemates), and didn’t really spend much time getting to know other people. When that relationship started to crater, I looked around and realized that the friend groups were kind of set and I wasn’t really in one. It actually took me a couple of years to find my for-life friends in college and I remember sophomore year being particularly miserable. The thing I know now is that one doesn’t need to find all their BFFs (or their life partner) during those highly charged 4-5 years.

Separate topic: we dropped off the kid. And it was kind of epic and excruciating. First, my husband decided that we were going to do the entire trip in the electric car. It’s a ~12-hour drive to Seattle from the Bay Area and with our vehicle, you need to stop and charge every 150-200 miles. The charging takes 40 minutes. There are whole theories about how often to charge and how low to let your battery go (it charges faster between 0 and 50%) and my husband was happily geeking out about this while I suffered from extreme range anxiety. There is charging infrastructure at fairly reliable intervals along I-5 but sometimes the chargers don’t work; many of them aren’t fast chargers; sometimes they are already occupied. So you have to kind of embrace the adventure and be prepared to wait around (and maybe don’t pin all your hopes on one station and leave yourself with a very low battery on a very hot day? not that we did this…)

Our kiddo drove almost all the way to Seattle. I wedged in back with all his worldly goods; Pop sat in front and co-piloted, which was an exercise in restraint. The vibe felt awkward. I think S25 was anxious/excited/ready to be free of the focus of his parents. Limbo just isn’t a comfortable place and we had 2.5 days of it together.

We did finally get to move him in on Wednesday. He’s in one of the newer dorms and although they’ve made many of the doubles into triples, there still seems to be plenty of space. One of his roommates is local and basically showed up for half an hour on Friday, dumped his stuff, and then disappeared home for the weekend. But the other is a kid from Brazil who (in contrast to my kid) showed up with basically a suitcase and spent his first night in the dorm with no sheets or pillow even! (we took him to Target to help him find the basic necessities.) He seems like an interesting guy and they immediately hit it off – discovered they liked similar music and both enjoy cycling. S25 was helping him buy a laptop the day after they moved in together, and they’re working on finding him a road bike. My husband was working in the local office of his company on Thursday and Friday while I wandered around Seattle and moped, remembering adventures we’d had there together when our kid was younger and more portable/pliable. We finally said goodbye for good very quickly Saturday morning and headed home.

Some thoughts on this process: I like the fact that he is going far-ish away for school. It’s a significant drive and a different city (but not a long flight). I think for our son, not being in the same urban area where he grew up and his parents still live will be healthy. (it’s healthy for us too.) I do hope that in the long run we live closer to each other, though!

I won’t miss trying to parent a young adult. It was so awkward in the end – he wanted to be free and independent and eat when he felt like it and do things without having to explain them to us. I do wish I had a bit more confidence in his ability to adult. I don’t think he fully realizes how much scaffolding we provided for him. I wish we’d had a more gradual transition to adulting…that said, better now than later, and better late than never.

What I miss is the sense of being so central to his world – I miss the times when I was the first person he wanted to talk to about things. It’s a heady experience to be so essential to someone else, even when it’s also overwhelming. And I think this feels a little bit like a break-up might – you know intellectually that it’s for the best but you yearn for the early days when things were different. I’m also realizing that my husband and I are really going to need to rebuild our relationship, now that we’re not first and foremost co-parenting.

We are on the fence about “family weekend”, which is basically in four weeks. It seems way too soon – we just dropped him off! My gut tells me he’s going to want more space before he’s ready to show off his adulting and let us into his world again. Plus he’s coming home for Thanksgiving and Christmas. I’m going to let him lead on this one – if he wants us to come, one or both of us will hop on a plane. If not, we will hold off.

So…onward? onward!

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One more thought. I think I’m also sad because I’ll miss knowing so much about him. Of course we’ve known less and less as he’s gotten more taciturn and private about his affairs. But now? we really won’t know what’s going on for the most part, unless he decides to tell us. We won’t know the big stuff, but also the little stuff – what does S25 eat when we’re not buying the food and putting it in front of him? how will he show up in class? what risks will he take, socially or academically? How long will it take him to figure out that Shaggy from Scooby Doo isn’t a fashion icon and it’s not a bad idea to shave and get occasional haircuts? What will be the impetus for that discovery? etc.

I was telling my husband last night as we drove home that I wish I could just watch the (son’s name) reality TV show once a week for half an hour – I’d love either a highlights reel or a day-in-the-life or something. (S25 be horrified by the idea.)

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Most couples I know who met in college didn’t marry until late 20s. (and I can name 6 off top of my head). I think they were mainly 26-28, and yes they dated the whole time, many swapped off grad school, etc.

Only ones divorced were indeed the first to get married (at 24) and engaged sr. spring.

Interesting anecdote to prove data;) And also to say if you meet in college you can get married later:)

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DH and I met in an internship after junior year of college – we were at different schools pretty far apart, kind of dated long-distance senior year, then agreed to move back to the city where we had the internship and see where it went after graduation.

Been together since. Engaged at 23, married at barely 25. Married for 27+ years now. All good, but in hindsight, I wonder what the heck we were thinking – and I would have qualms if my kids did the same.

Although, my eldest hasn’t really dated in high school or college, nor does she seem inclined to – so I don’t think I need to worry, LOL. Unless she somehow gets swept off her feet by the first reasonable suitor to woo her. :sweat_smile: (I can actually see her being happily single and having cats!)

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So much from both your posts resonates with me!

I miss the info that would be in a [Child’s Name] show! Like what do you do when you are hanging out? Where do you like to study? What are you eating for dinner?

I don’t know why my head is stuck on the dinner thing, but it is. S25 is not a picky eater, but I’m so curious about his food choices. He likes vegetables. He’s not a vegetarian, but we have vegetables with every lunch and dinner. He is bemoaning the vegetables (“it’s either salad bar or squash/zucchini. They never serve broccoli. I miss broccoli”) at parents weekend. And I cannot exactly Amazon him vegetables for dinner like I can extra protein bars.

And then there’s the part about needing to look at and think about and spend some time on my relationship with my husband, now that we aren’t just parenting. We had really started falling into a trap of being more co-parents and co-habitants and less partners. I miss that. I mean, we’ve been married 23 years, so no one is expecting fresh and new levels of relationship. But it’s time to put more energy back into who we areas a couple, and how do we want the rest of our time together to look and feel.

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I’m really thankful I didn’t marry the young man I met and fell for my senior year of college and dated throughout grad school. Our faith journeys took very divergent paths and neither of us could have lived with the direction the other took.

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Really enjoyed your updates!

(Except the part about driving 12 hours in an electric car and having to recharge – that just gave me anxiety, lol. My D22 is also about 13 hours away, and I have done that drive too many times now.)

The part about not being involved in their daily lives really struck me. My D22 used to come home after theatre rehearsal while I was cooking dinner, and she’d plop herself at the kitchen counter and give me an hour-by-hour rundown of her day, funny things that had happened, what she’d learned, all the drama, what she’d eaten, etc. I knew every one of her friends and their life stories, lol, along with all the parents. When she went to college, I missed that desperately.

We addressed some of this by setting a time to call each week – it used to be Sunday nights, but now it’s Monday mornings while she’s doing laundry (she doesn’t have classes until the afternoon on Mondays). We have to catch up on the whole week’s worth of stuff, so this morning, for example, we chatted for 3 hours and 35 minutes. And I got enough info to keep me going until next week, lol! I do text her during the week, but not much, because she’s busy and doesn’t always respond.

My S25 and I have been chatting on Saturday mornings right after he wakes up. Usually that’s around 10 or 11 a.m. And we might chat for an hour, but definitely not 3+ hours – he just doesn’t give the same kinds of details that his sister does. But he is really good about texting me during the week – although I think it’s a factor of being newly at college without an established friend group yet (he has met some nice kids but is still finding his footing). I think I’ve become the default person to text.

My D26 gives me a bit of an update on her daily happenings, but not as organically or as detailed as her sister. And she’s a terrible texter. I really fear she’ll be the least communicative of my three when she goes away next year – so I’m going to try to establish the once-a-week phone calls pretty early on!

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Parents weekend coming up so we shall see how that goes.

D25 misses her dog and her friends but is still loving college. She often spends the weekend in her dorm but she is not a party girl and she is so busy during the week she needs to decompress. I am not worried. She has 3 activities she is involved with and I know she needs time to chill alone and reload her social battery. She tends to catch up on homework and laundry on weekends but also sees a few people in her dorm complex for a bit so she isn’t completely isolated.

She had fun at her first home football game. Found a new friend to drag to football with her but the consequence was that she had to agree to attend hockey games in return. I think its a win win for both of them to have new experiences!

She decided to attend the retreat with her Christian group so fingers crossed it isn’t too cult like (Chi Alpha has had a few restrictive chapters with negative reviews so I worry its less church and more control driven. She says so far its more nondenominational.)

And she texted me in all caps last night she got an A on her essay for sociology. She needed to write a paper on the relationships between characters in a movie and she chose Thor and The Avengers. I was a bit shocked she didn’t chose her favorite, Iron Man, but I guess it didn’t fit with the essay prompt.

(and she really wants to have a baby and be a mom but also is not in a rush as she has seen divorce and wants to ensure she can support herself financially because again, she’s seen the not so fun side of marriages breaking up. She has never really dated anyone.)

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Drop off complete! D25 and I drove 8.5 hours to get her to school, which ended up being a lovely time of chatting and listening to music. To avoid her brother skipping school, he and Dad flew down late that night. We ran some errands to pick up last minute things–which cracked me up, because hadn’t she been shopping for months?–let her thrift at the local Goodwill, where she found some fun albums to put on her walls, grabbed a great lunch of spring/summer rolls and banh mi at a hole in the wall restaurant, and then made our way to her school. Check-in was easy, and because there are no elevators in her dorm, we made two trips to bring her things up to the third floor. In about an hour and a half, her bed was made, all the bags unpacked, and albums were on the wall. The school gives a voucher so families can eat in the cafeteria with their student, so we had dinner there. Great food options–chicken tikka masala, potstickers in a garlic miso broth, and an asian sesame chicken with veggies in addition to the standard salad bar, soups, and pizza/burgers. We were happy with the food, and the pineapple frozen yogurt was delicious.

I’d wondered before we left if she would want to see us the next day, or if we’d be driving home early. To my happy surprise, she volunteered to try a new church with us, so we found one recommended by a friend and went. I don’t know that it will be where she lands, as it’s farther from campus than a lot of other options that are more popular with the college age crowd, but it was a fine service. But–guys–she held my hand in the service, her fingers interlaced with mine. It wasn’t more than a minute or two, but it’s that type of memory that I’m writing to attempt to retain and that brings the tears back to my eyes. I relate strongly to @goldbug ‘s wish that we could hear more details of our kids’ lives, even as I want her to spread her wings and fly. I was frustrated that D25 didn’t have her license before she left, but her not driving did give me more time to chat and hear about her days. I will miss that.

Missing her is tempered by the fact that she seems so happy right now. She had been chatting with other frosh since they got admitted, and met up with a small group a few times over the summer. So she waved/greeted multiple people in the cafeteria or around the dorms, and after we left her Saturday night, she crossed campus to hang out with one of her new friends. Apparently, she was busy with the activity fair, a meeting with the dance department, a dorm meeting, and something else I’m forgetting today, and has a beach day planned for later in the week before classes start. It’s an auspicious beginning and I’m thankful for it.

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I have a feeling S25’s experience at Rose-Hulman will be similar. I honestly don’t know if he’s even spoken with a female student since he arrived other than his one interaction with the Women in Mathematics club. I hate that he has so little experience interacting and working with women given the fact that he also went to an all boy’s high school.

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Things seem to be good still for S25. He doesn’t share a lot about his academics other than his Japanese class, which he loves. I asked “Are you doing okay in your classes?” to which he responded “I would say so.” :roll_eyes: I think he would tell me if he was having an disasters, but he also might be blissfully unaware. I’m trying to loosen the reigns, though.

He’s really enjoying the rush process. He has two frats he’s interested in, and they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. One is heavy with athletes, and the other is nerdiest of nerdy group, according to S25. He said that one of the brothers of quirky frat said he knew the frat was for him when he bonded with the brothers over their shared love of roller coasters. Roller coasters! I’m glad he has two good options and will hopefully get a bid from at least one of them. Tonight he’s going bowling and to dinner with the quirky guys, who he feels really comfortable with. Really glad he’s putting himself out there and making some new friends.

On a totally random note, he sent me a selfie of where he was studying last night. He was perched outside on a window sill of his building. So while he is maturing in many ways, he is not above giving his mother a panic attack. Here’s the ledge where he was perched for hours doing homework:

I’m flying out on Thursday to meet the husband in Las Vegas for a little empty nesters’ weekend. We have a nice dinner, a show, and some other things planned. I’m happy to get away and have a little break from obsessing about S25 failing classes or falling off of ledges…

Hope everyone has a great day!

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We briefly saw S25 recently. I noticed some scrapes on his arms and legs and asked what happened. He casually said, that is from climbing trees. I, of course, spent that night imagining him falling out of a tree and being paralyzed. I am very good at finding things to worry about, but a tree climbing injury was not on the list of my worries for my kid going off to college. On the bright side, this kid who is afraid of heights and, by his own admission, spent too much time on his gaming computer as stress relief last year is spending time outside and trying new things. My colleagues with adult children have always said that you never stop worrying about your kids. You just have less knowledge and less control.
Enjoy your trip! We are empty nesters now too and planned a short trip in October. Our first for just the two of us since I was pregnant in 2007.

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Okay I really want to call your kid and say, “GET DOWN FROM THERE. You are giving all of us a collective heart attack.”

Good grief. :woman_facepalming: :sweat_smile: :zany_face:

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