<p>A bigger problem for golf would be if HGH was used by other players on the tour.</p>
<p>The baseball stuff in Congress was incredibly ugly. It didn’t matter whether they did it or not - it was just plain ugly to see and damaging overall for the sport. We have sex, steroids, prescription drugs and alcohol. What’s left?</p>
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<p>This one actually could swing some folks a little towards neutral on TW. If the media does try to lynch TW on this and it turns out to be true that TW only used the lawful quick healing treatment, this may cause some people to view all this as a media feeding frenzy, even including TW’s actual infidelities.</p>
<p>I’m not going to speculate about the Lawful 
quick healing treatment ;). This is actually serious! I mean, honestly, cheating at golf??? is waaayyyy more serious than cheating at marriage. </p>
<p>But I will say when I was in grad school I was a bartender and Michael Jordan was a notoriously awful tipper to the point that waiters in our white tablecloth would fight NOT to have to take his table. FWIW.</p>
<p>“This one actually could swing some folks a little towards neutral on TW. If the media does try to lynch TW on this and it turns out to be true that TW only used the lawful quick healing treatment, this may cause some people to view all this as a media feeding frenzy, even including TW’s actual infidelities.”</p>
<p>Given the various athletes whom we’ve learned were using illegal drugs even though they and their doctors and handlers denied it, it is hard for me to imagine that the public would put 100% trust into any proof that Tiger didn’t use performance enhancing drugs.</p>
<p>Given what has been revealed about Tiger’s sexual affairs, I don’t think there will be a backlash about a media feeding frenzy. I also have the feeling that more sleazy info will be coming to light about his sexual indiscretions.</p>
<p>What I predict, however, is that eventually Tiger will turn things around by becoming “saved” and becoming a born again Christian minister. I’m serious.</p>
<p>Northstarmom - I am curious - why all the venom toward Tiger?
When you say “I have the feeling more sleezy info will be coming…”
do you really mean - “I want more sleezy info…”?</p>
<p>Did you not like him before the scandal? If not why?</p>
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<p>Agreed. Jordan is well known to be awfully cheap.</p>
<p>poetgrl–what do you mean jordan is a bad tipper. Do you mean that he’s a bad tipper compared to your regulars, or that his tip wasn’t proportional to his wealth.</p>
<p>I mean 0 tip. is what I mean.</p>
<p>Now, Wayne Gretsky, when he used to play the Hawks used to come into our place, too, and he was a fantastic tipper.</p>
<p>“Northstarmom - I am curious - why all the venom toward Tiger?
When you say “I have the feeling more sleezy info will be coming…”
do you really mean - “I want more sleezy info…”?”</p>
<p>I didn’t have any strong opinion about Tiger beforehand. I don’t watch TV, and find sports to be boring. I knew he had an interesting racial background and had attended Stanford, and I had a vague idea that he was a smart, very talented guy in what I considered the boring world of golf. </p>
<p>I do admit that due to the recent revelations, now I don’t like him. He had looks, talent, money, basically the world at his feet, and what has he done with that – squandered it to follow his libido. Not the type of person whom I admire. I do admire, however, Bill Gates, who seems to be using his money to make a difference in the world, and whom I haven’t heard a whisper about extramarital affairs. </p>
<p>As for what I’m predicting for Tiger – given what has come to light so far – extramarital affairs while his wife was pregnant; sex parties; porn stars; bimbos; lies; and a carefully crafted public image supported by the privacy big bucks can buy – I can only assume that much worse must have existed.</p>
<p>As a person who has been a journalist, I know that there are some things that family publications won’t print or that are so potentially explosive (i.e. lawsuit fodder) that the information would have to be carefully discussed with management, lawyers and thoroughly checked before being published. </p>
<p>Back in the days in which I was a therapist, I also got some training about sex addicts, and worked with some. Tiger’s lifestyle was a sex addicts’ dream: unlimited money, opportunity and privacy. If he is a sex addict, I would assume that he had affairs with or tried to have affairs with more than the party girls and similar people who have come forth. </p>
<p>I also agree with someone else on this thread who suggested that he’s likely to have other addictions, too. It’s not unusual for people addicted to one thing to be addicted to virtually anything else that one can become addicted to.</p>
<p>Yes, NSM, I am the someone else who believes Tiger is a sex-addict and that his behavior the night of the crash, as well as the information coming to light in regard to the amount of time he was spending in bars with these women indicates he has, at least, the signs of possible other addictions. He was admitted to the hospital that night as an OD. This is being glossed over, but normal people don’t OD.</p>
<p>But, there are those who would say his work addiction was probably the FIRST addiction he ever had.</p>
<p>I do not buy that he is a sex addict. Enough with the excuses. He has some very deep seated emotional and psychological pathology.</p>
<p>Laughing out LOUD! Addiction IS a very deep seated emotional and psychological pathology. bwahahahah. Seriously, though, I don’t want to argue. It’s not that important to me. :)</p>
<p>If it was important enough to comment, then why isn’t it important enough to argue? That’s dirty play, and I think you know it. ;)</p>
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<p>LOL, I think many people would have said the same about TW not so long ago…I probably would have!</p>
<p>It’s true mantori, I do know. Hangs head…</p>
<p>Justamom5465, I thought your user name said, “just a mom of 5465,” which is frequently how I feel with my two. :)</p>
<p>In reference to Northstarmom’s predictions, I heard on the network news last night that a British tabloid obtained a photo of Tiger that would put him in an unflattering light but that Tiger’s attorneys paid them not to run the photo.</p>
<p>That’s odd that TW was paying anything in light of the extremely broad injunction entered against the British media a few days ago to bar running photos of TW.</p>
<p>Please remember that HGH is not a steroid, and has never actually been proven to be a “performance enhancing drug.” All it’s supposed to do is help people heal faster from injuries, and its effectiveness in doing that has not been conclusively demonstrated, so far as I know.</p>
<p>It’s certainly not illegal if you have a prescription for it, even if it’s “off-label.”</p>
<p>And I don’t even know if it’s against the PGA rules to take it.</p>
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<p>To me, the tipping thing is definitely an indication of what kind of person Tiger is (and Jordan and Gretzky). I was a waitress at a place near an NFL stadium long ago, and football players were there regularly during the season, so I have had my share of interaction with pro-athletes (lol, that could sound bad!). The non-tippers were always jerks as people. Thankfully, there weren’t really many of those. </p>
<p>And poetgrl, I’m glad to hear Gretzky was a good tipper, cause I’ve always had a pretty high opinion of him.</p>
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<p>Thank you for pointing that out, Donna. Anyone who knows anything much at all about golf knows that it’s always been an agreed upon fact that steroids would be unlikely to assist any professional golfer in enhancing his/her game. HGH probably falls into the same category and is often used by athletes as they recover from injuries. </p>
<p>It’s amusing how some posters here are grasping at any and every possible straw in order to indict Woods, even to the extent that they say, not only has his golf game declined recently (untrue) but also that he’s been using performance enhancing drugs. I think that Tiger’s behavior (that which we know and which has been admitted) is certainly very disappointing but many here seem to be taking an inordinate amount of great pleasure in the downfall of this young man. It baffles me as to why that is the case.</p>
<p>The PGA tour does have an anti-doping policy (coincidentally Tiger Woods was one of its strongest advocates and his support was instrumental in getting it implemented) and in the almost two years since its introduction, there has, if I’m not mistaken, been only one case of a performance enhancing drug found, and that resulted in the golfer being suspended for a year.</p>